U. Of Michigan Students Ruin Charles Murray Lecture...

[sid]

So much for free speech at our universities. Why aren't these rowdies expelled from this school? I'm sure that a speaker from Black Lives Matter would be warmly welcomed. What the hell is happening in our schools of higher learning?

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/1...urray-lecture/

[Allen]

What the hell is happening in our schools of higher learning?

They're becoming schools of lower learning and grooming the students to all become liberals just like the public school system does at taxpayer expense.

[dave]

Look back at many of the hippy, war protesters, flower children of the 60's, many of whom went to prison for violent activities. Many of them are "professors" and instructors at colleges and have been for years. People running the universities are also of the same bent. A conservative can hardly get hired in these institutions! It is called 'subversion from within'!

[JB White]

At least in this case the administration handled the protests and the lecture was allowed to continue. I noticed security was pretty much handcuffed by political correctness and didn't move in to suppress the protest.

[bruce]

Have never heard of the speaker. Of course, have not ever heard of the students. Do wonder what all the fuss was about. sincerely. bruce.

[sid]

Bruce, here is the answer to your question. The speaker Charles Murray, was the co-author of the The Bell Curve. This is one of the most thoroughly researched and important books ever published in Psychology. It is a difficult read but presents evidence from thousands of studies that there is a substantial difference in intelligence between whites and blacks.

I know that this statement will get a lot of folks on this board screaming. But before you do, at least read the book.

[blackhawknj]

It's right out of Lenin's Playbook. Shout down your opponents, keep them from being heard. As William Bennett said:
"When Liberals talk about 'education', what they really mean is 'indoctrination'".

[RED]

I don't know much about Charles Murray, but I know quite a bit about grading on a bell curve. The difference today in colleges everywhere is that most grades are A's. Many classes with 20 or more students at the U of MO all get A's.

When I went to college, only 2% got A's, 14% got B's 68% got C's, 14% D's and 2% got F's.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://www.calcunation.com/calculator/bell%2520curve.PNG&imgrefurl=http://www.calcunation.com/calculator/bell-curve-grade.php&h=212&w=328&tbnid=C2-l_XiEqTh-LM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=223&usg=__u94kdpocyVOKUkvYr7VLKhJOHvA=&vet=10ahUKEwiuzpS_6OzWAhVJ0YMKHfs4AM4Q9QEILDAA..i&docid=fmXycoJVXUhSCM&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuzpS_6OzWAhVJ0YMKHfs4AM4Q9QEILDAA

Today there are classes with 20 or more students and all get A's. In MO they require a 3.0 grade point to get a teaching certificate. Under the grading system used in my college days, only 16% of students could reach that goal. I had a 2.75 grade point when grades meant something, but when I volunteered to teach a history course, without pay at a local prison I was turned down because my 1967 grade point was too low to get a teaching certificate.

BTW, I spent 2 years in the Navy as a classroom instructor and wrote 2 texts that were used for at least a couple of years at the RIO school at NAS Glynco, Ga.

[bruce]

With extreme respect, the statement "presents evidence from thousands of studies that there is a substantial difference in intelligence between whites and blacks" needs some serious proof for anyone to take it seriously. On its face, the statement is preposterous. I have a bit of experience dealing with and working with all sorts of people ... some of the white and some of the African-American ... and some of the from various places in Asia, Europe, India, etc. If that quote reflects the thesis of The Bell Curve, then it would require confirmation by other reputable researchers/writers for it to be taken as anything more than a unfounded opinion. Sincerely. bruce.

[bruce]

Re: Grading/curve. It is hog wash. Your grade for a course should be exactly what you score on tests. It's that simple. If the teacher fails to adequately prepare the tests, then the fault is on the teacher. If the student make 97 on a 0-100 scale, then they make a 97. And if that means the precious curve of the bell is skewed, then so be it. Sincerely. bruce.

[JB White]

Re: Grading/curve. It is hog wash. Your grade for a course should be exactly what you score on tests. It's that simple. If the teacher fails to adequately prepare the tests, then the fault is on the teacher. If the student make 97 on a 0-100 scale, then they make a 97. And if that means the precious curve of the bell is skewed, then so be it. Sincerely. bruce.

I failed my second year of physics by 2/100th's of a point. Scored a 68.98 when 69.0 was passing. Didn't like it especially since I had a hard time with it and had to take it again for my credit point. There was no 'close enough'. We were told on Day One we would either pass or fail. Got a 92.something the second time around so I actually learned something before graduating.

[RED]

Re: Grading/curve. It is hog wash. Your grade for a course should be exactly what you score on tests. It's that simple. If the teacher fails to adequately prepare the tests, then the fault is on the teacher. If the student make 97 on a 0-100 scale, then they make a 97. And if that means the precious curve of the bell is skewed, then so be it. Sincerely. bruce.

Bruce, that is nonsense. What if you administered a test and nobody scored more than 75% correct?

Would everybody get C's? D's and F's. In the real world, back when grades meant something, nobody ever got 100% right and 97% was a rare happening. Then there are objective testing and subjective testing. We had few multiple choice tests, much of the time the tests required a hand written answer. For example, a question might just be a name and the answer would always have to include who, what, when, and where, and yes spelling and punctuation counted. I once got docked 10 points because I misspelled Jean-Marcel Jeanneney's organization, the Observatoire Francais des Conjonctures Economiques.

[bruce]

Re: Bruce, that is nonsense. What if you administered a test and nobody scored more than 75% correct? Let try a real world example. I was in a class of 33 men taking Hebrew. A grand total of 7 passed. The rest failed. I was among them. Next time around I don't happen to remember the precise number of men in the class, but I do remember my grade was 96. I spent the summer studying the parts I'd messed up. Others did to. The professor told us that very few would even get through mid-term. He was right. He also said he'd see many of us next year. On that score he was wrong. I signed up for a different professor. By the way, the tests were translation, definition, verbs, etc. Never had a multiple choice test in any language class either Hebrew or Greek. For the record, there were times when I managed to get 100% of the questions correct. Got hauled before a faculty group b/c some one thought I was cheating. It just so happened that one of the primary text for a history class I was taking was the same text I'd used in college for a similar class. I had read it so much that I could just about visualize various pages in my mine. It was like reading the book to them. They told me to use my own words to answer essay question and not to simply quote the book. Cool. Exams were all Blue book, i.e., written. Very few multiple guess tests back in seminary (79-82). Possibly things are now different. But the truth is, none of us are using white out or pink pearl erasers or onion skin type writer paper and carbon paper. Sincerely. bruce.

[AZshooter]

I don't know much about Charles Murray, but I know quite a bit about grading on a bell curve. The difference today in colleges everywhere is that most grades are A's. Many classes with 20 or more students at the U of MO all get A's.

When I went to college, only 2% got A's, 14% got B's 68% got C's, 14% D's and 2% got F's.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://www.calcunation.com/calculator/bell%2520curve.PNG&imgrefurl=http://www.calcunation.com/calculator/bell-curve-grade.php&h=212&w=328&tbnid=C2-l_XiEqTh-LM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=223&usg=__u94kdpocyVOKUkvYr7VLKhJOHvA=&vet=10ahUKEwiuzpS_6OzWAhVJ0YMKHfs4AM4Q9QEILDAA..i&docid=fmXycoJVXUhSCM&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuzpS_6OzWAhVJ0YMKHfs4AM4Q9QEILDAA

Today there are classes with 20 or more students and all get A's. In MO they require a 3.0 grade point to get a teaching certificate. Under the grading system used in my college days, only 16% of students could reach that goal. I had a 2.75 grade point when grades meant something, but when I volunteered to teach a history course, without pay at a local prison I was turned down because my 1967 grade point was too low to get a teaching certificate.

BTW, I spent 2 years in the Navy as a classroom instructor and wrote 2 texts that were used for at least a couple of years at the RIO school at NAS Glynco, Ga.

So, the Navy had lower standards than the prison system? Sad commentary.

[clintonhater]

It's REAL: http://www.gradeinflation.com/