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This is news? When Demo-controlled states began passing laws requiring union membership for most trades and other occupations, that's when the union pay-back money began flowing into Demo coffers. To keep it flowing requires an endless supply of union-controlled public-works projects at inflated tax-payer cost authorized by Demo lawmakers. Thus here in NY, every 3 or 4 ft concrete drainage culvert (which, unfortunately for unionized construction companies, last forever) under 1-lane country gravel roads is being replaced by massive steel bridges such as used on major highways. Best of all, due to the state Trans. Dept.'s enormous overuse of road salt in winter (to make sure the union drivers get plenty of $75/hr overtime pay), those bridges will have to be replaced within a relatively short time. It's a brilliant system for insuring a permanent union-financed Demo majority in the state legislature. -
Yep, they always have, always will.
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I understand your outrage and to an extent your words ring with an aura of truth. However I certainly wouldn't use your examples in a meaningful debate. They'll crush you if you go that route.
1. Culvert waterways are installed at ground level, which in all cases the water runs through the lower places. Those culverts and the lower level roads crossing them are more often flooded over thus making passage impossible at times. The bridges provide a higher crossing with less obstruction to the water flow. Add in the bridge approaches and your road is now accessible at common flood level.
2. The high overtime pay was originally put in place to penalize employers in a sense. If they could afford to pay those high wages, then it would seem they should put more bread winners to work at base rate instead of taking someone away from their family. That was the intent. However the bean counters realized they didn't have to pay the benefit hours into the kitty once the employee reached the set number of hours for the quarter. It became less expensive for them to work someone around the clock for less money paid out since all they were paying was the hourly paycheck rate. No benefits or added insurance when not hiring more workers.
In more recent years, some unions are requiring benefits be paid into on all hours worked. Old habits die hard though and the bean counters have discovered new tricks to circumvent the expenses. (That's why they were hired). If that rule were in place when I was working, I'd be living high off the hog instead of simply making ends meet on my current pension multiplier points.
Not arguing your stance. I share similar frustrations. Only making you aware of certain aspects you appear to have overlooked.2016 Chicago Cubs. MLB Champions!
**Never quite as old as the other old farts**Comment
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This has always been a mystery to me as to why the rank and file allows this to happen. The same thing goes for gun people voting Democrat. They still vote for people that claim to be pro gun while these same people vote for anti gun SCOTUS judges and leaders like Pelosi.Last edited by RED; 10-22-2017, 12:14.Comment
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One way is through threats of wage cuts or job loss made by union leaders, because that's what I've been told by union members working as guards in the several minimum security prisons around here who belong to our rod & gun club. The great irony of that threat has been that over the last few years, two of these prisons have been shut down by the state's radical left wing Gov who doesn't believe in jail time for drug dealers and other petty criminals!Comment
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I retired from J.I.Case 15 years ago. The company is now known as Case New Holland. During my 40 years there it has always been a union factory. You didn't have to belong to the UAW but those who didn't were shunned and bullied to join. The UAW sponsers democrat candidates and promotes democrats in office. Hooey on them!Comment
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The many complaints stated here are just some of the reasons that Right to Work laws are becoming more popular and being passed in many states. An 'agency shop' is the best compromise but the Union must be monitored or they will charge non-members way more then they should.You can never go home again.Comment
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Unions are terrible for our country!Comment
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Unions think they are 'entitled' to part of your wage via dues. Wrong!Comment
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I think that is a bit extreme. Read on the early Union struggles and why they were formed. However they have gotten too powerful in many ways. But just remember, the Union gets nothing unless the Company agrees to their demands. And even then the worker has to agree to strike as a Union member. That includes the kind of Union they have! The only type that is illegal is a closed shop, and that one is legal for certain jobs, where workers go from job to job, construction being the largest of this type.
So a lot of Union faults are abetted by the members greed. Democrats are better at advocating laws favorable to Unions, so they get Union support! Just like Dems. do with any advocacy group.You can never go home again.Comment
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Dave, now you've done it. Even though what you say is true there are others here who have been indoctrinated into the "anti-union anything" camp. Expect some backlash over your words. For me, on this board, in this teeny tiny corner of the world, it isn't worth the argument. No matter what, the response is always the same old condescending rhetoric. A few will make valid counter points, but just a few.
FWIW, the closed shops were done away with long ago. What people are calling "closed shops" today aren't remotely closed as they were up through the 60's and into the 70's. Back in those days a person couldn't get into a union unless a member would vouch for them and an employer agreed to sponsor. Back then I couldn't get into the union unless I had a job, and couldn't get a job without being a union member.
The closed shop has been gone for decades but folks still bitch about it.Last edited by JB White; 10-24-2017, 08:50.2016 Chicago Cubs. MLB Champions!
**Never quite as old as the other old farts**Comment
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Yes, a century ago, when there was no state or federal industrial regulation of any kind, when the only workplace rules were those made by the boss, and the mere suggestion that one day in the future there might be a federal agency with the tyrannical power of OSHA would have been laughed off as fantastic. Ancient history that's worth remembering, but with no relevance today.Comment
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Closed shops are long gone, but there's still plenty to bitch about in states without right-to-work laws, where workers aren't compelled to join the union, but ARE compelled to pay union dues if they want to work in union-controlled trades. If that was not true, why would there even be a need for right-to-work laws?Comment
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