Before Shots Were Fired British Reporter Was Told Of Kennedy Assassination

[sid]

Just saw this on Fox News. This came from the release of new documents concerning the assassination that was approved by President Trump.

Check it out:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/27/jfk-files-big-news-coming-british-reporter-was-told-before-shots-fired.html

[Allen]

A L-O-T of people wanted Kennedy dead especially the mafia. The shots could have come from numerous sources. I personally think Oswald was set up and had little or nothing to do with it.

[RED]

What a crock

What a crock... as I said in my previous post, this is not news. What purpose could such a phone call serve? Sid's post's title is flawed. The caller did not mention JFK, Dallas, or a shooting. He merely told the reporter to call the U.S. embassy for "big news." How was the embassy going to give the reporter a big story when nothing had yet happened? The embassy most likely found out about the shooting the same way everybody else did... i.e. Walter Cronkite.

A 14 year old witness saw Oswald shooting a rifle out of a window in the 6th floor of the school book depository and gave police an accurate description. Three men on the 5th floor watching the caravan testified they heard the shots, heard the action being worked, and the spent cartridges hitting the floor. The muzzle blasts removed pieces of mortar used on the brick building and some of it wound up in the hair of the three guys directly below. An eye witness also saw Oswald kill Officer Tibbets and run into the theater. Apparently Tibbets realized Oswald fit the description broadcast by the dispatcher

Have you ever shot a Carcano rifle? Here is mine.



I can put 3 rounds into a 3" target at 70 yards and I am 73 and have never had any military rifle training. I carried a Garand in ROTC and OCS but they didn't even have firing pins.

Oh, BTW, the "magic" 6.5MM bullets used had a 160 gr. FMJ steel cored bullet but you will never hear or read that in the news or at the movies.

[dogtag]

I had one. Could never figure how ANYONE could shoot downhill
so accurately at a moving target with with a Carcano.

[RED]

I had one. Could never figure how ANYONE could shoot downhill
so accurately at a moving target with with a Carcano.

That's the easiest moving shot there is. The elevation and azimuth is staying about the same, the range is the only thing changing.

[dogtag]

Sorry Red. I'm not convinced.
1. Small target (head) and moving.
2. Shooting downhill (always tricky as you have to shoot lower than your real aim point)
3. 50 Yards with a Carcano is like 500 yards with a Remington.

[Dan Shapiro]

1. Head - who said he was aiming for a head shot? One or two in the back would do major damage.
2. Shooting downhill is not a major accomplishment as long as you KNOW to aim lower
3. 50 yards - 50 yards is 50 yards no matter what rifle you use, short of a musket.

All it takes is ONE person with a will. But since it's the President, naturally it requires a BIG conspiracy.
Like Hillary! losing the last election.

[RED]

3. 50 Yards with a Carcano is like 500 yards with a Remington.

Come on, a Carcano at fifty yards is like a Remington at 500? I have owned that little Carcano for 40+ years and every time I pull the trigger it goes bang. We used to have a thing called "milk jug hollow." It was along a creek with bluffs and hills on either side and the idea was for somebody to hang a 1/2 a dozen milk xxxx full of water from trees or put them on rocks stumps etc. The "holler" was over 200 yards long and the next guy would walk the trail and shoot the xxxx as they came into sight. I scored just as well with the Italian gun as I did with my other bolt action rifles including 1903's, a 8MM Mauser, and a Model 70 Win in 30-06.

The idea it is a terrible rifle is a myth... It ain't a real great gun but it is right up there with many of the Japanese rifles and the straight pull guns of the Axis in WWII. It has a very strong but somewhat awkward action... I have seen one of them converted to shoot .264 Win Mag. cartridges...

Oh, BTW who can say for certain that Oswald used the little scope on his rifle and not the iron sights?

[dogtag]

Well, my Carcano was not a rifle I'd brag about owning,
and I sold it to a guy chewing a straw who'd just bought
the Brooklyn Bridge for twenty dollars.

[RED]

I sold it to a guy chewing a straw

Hopefully you both benefited from the deal... Once upon a time in 1962, in Bentonville AR, I met a man sucking a straw and kicking a can down the sidewalk... I said to him "Sir, why are you kicking a can down the sidewalk,?"

Sam Walton replied, "Cause I can kick a can."

[sid]

I have always been intrigued by the fact that Kennedy's brain was missing. Any ideas about this?

[rkohut]

I have always been intrigued by the fact that Kennedy's brain was missing. Any ideas about this?

The only reason I've heard was that Bobby wanted it to be retained by the Kennedy family.

[Allen]

I have always been intrigued by the fact that Kennedy's brain was missing. Any ideas about this?

I won't touch that line with a 10' pole.

[sid]

I always thought that Kennedy was hit by one shot to the back of the head. But apparently he was also hit by a second shot to the back of his neck. This was reported in the article by Wikipedia. This included illustrations and reports from doctors who did the autopsy.

Placing 2 shots in a row on a moving target that is also at a downward angle. Wouldn't that take quite a bit of skill? Just asking. Not looking to start a firestorm.

[RED]

I always thought that Kennedy was hit by one shot to the back of the head. But apparently he was also hit by a second shot to the back of his neck. This was reported in the article by Wikipedia. This included illustrations and reports from doctors who did the autopsy.

Placing 2 shots in a row on a moving target that is also at a downward angle. Wouldn't that take quite a bit of skill? Just asking. Not looking to start a firestorm.

No firestorm, but the first shot apparently missed everything likely because there was a tree top in the way. The second shot was in the back exiting through the neck and wounding Governor Connelly. That bullet was found at the hospital and showed little damage as a steel cored 160 grain bullet would that had passed through flesh and a car seat. The 3rd shot blew JFK's brains out of the large cavity (exit wound) in the top of his forehead. The brains and debris (50 - 70% water} reacted exactly as water does when it is fired into... it goes straight up. Try it. Take your favorite centerfire rifle and stand on a cliff and fire into the river, lake, or pond, and the water will explode straight up, every time.

In the JFK example the brain debris went straight up (as expected) but the limousine was moving forward at something like 5 feet per second so the debris landed on the trunk. The fact the brain matter was found on the trunk is the #1 argument the shot came from the front.

I grew up on a farm and learned how to shoot using a .22 to shoot turtles in a pond. I have seen thousands of bullets fired into water and into melons, pumpkins, hedge apples, milk xxxx etc. Place a hedge apple atop a post and shoot it with a 6.5 MM Carcano and 1/2 of the remains will wind up on the shooter's side of the post. Try it.

The naysayers have no evidence on their side. They denigrate the Warren Commission but have never read their report. They say it was a difficult shot at 58 yards. The Carcano was never any good but was the Italian issue for 20 years. These same guys laugh at the Moisin Nagant... a gun that has probably killed a million or more Nazi troops;.