So-called 'Climate Change' farce exposed.

[rkohut]

Step 1 - Disguise so-called 'wealth redistribution' under a bleeding heart, sensitive and compassionate term such as 'Climate Change'.
(Very similar to bigoted, violent fascists referring to themselves as ANTIFA.)

Step 2 - Create a new group of snake oil salesmen and refer to them as 'Climate Change Scientists'.
(They, of course, consistently 'adjust' data to fit their wishes)

Step 3 - Employ the philosophy of "a lie repeated often enough will eventually be accepted as the truth".
(Unbelievably, this still works on some people.)

And . . . wella!!!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...illion-bullet/

[dryheat]

India doesn't need more money, they need birth control. Over twenty million people live in the city of Mumbai. On average ten people a day are killed from falling off of overloaded trains.

[JB White]

*grinning* Mumbai....last month while chit-chatting with a shopkeeper I was reminded that Mumbai used to be Bombay. I still say Burma too.

[oscars]

The Trump administration released a dire scientific report Friday detailing the growing threats of climate change. The report stands in stark contrast to the administration’s efforts to downplay humans’ role in global warming, withdraw from an international climate accord and reverse Obama-era policies aimed at curbing U.S. greenhouse-gas output.

The White House did not seek to prevent the release of the government’s National Climate Assessment, which is mandated by law, despite the fact that its findings sharply contradict the administration’s policies. The report affirms that climate change is driven almost entirely by human action, warns of potential sea-level rise as high as eight feet by the year 2100, and enumerates climate-related damage across the United States that is already occurring as a result of 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit of global warming since 1900.

“It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the document reports. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”

[Dan Shapiro]

The report’s release underscores the extent to which the machinery of the federal scientific establishment, operating in multiple agencies across the government, continues to grind on even as top administration officials have minimized or disparaged its findings.

In other words, the climate clowns have a vested interest in keeping the circus going, to include falsifying and altering past temperature records.

When the climate clowns start acting like there's AGW............get back to me. Until then, work on your computer models that can't even accurately predict the past.

[leftyo]

we all know there is climate change, its been happening for millions of years. the problem with only seeing a 1.8degr temp change since 1900 is we dont accurately know what happened the hundred years before that, or a hundred years before that. so using a window of slightly more than 1 hundred years without being able to compare it to the previous hundred years is meaningless as to being able to place blame.

[togor]

Actually leftyo the people studying this are pretty resourceful about knowing what was happening 200, 500 or 1,000 years ago. One neat trick for example has been to carefully extract ice cores from glaciers. Gas bubbles trapped in the ice (compressed snow) contain atmospheric samples from specific dates in the past. With any luck you'll sit next to someone on a plane or something who is doing climate research. A conversation with the right person could really change your mind.

[leftyo]

Actually leftyo the people studying this are pretty resourceful about knowing what was happening 200, 500 or 1,000 years ago. One neat trick for example has been to carefully extract ice cores from glaciers. Gas bubbles trapped in the ice (compressed snow) contain atmospheric samples from specific dates in the past. With any luck you'll sit next to someone on a plane or something who is doing climate research. A conversation with the right person could really change your mind.

im open minded, but as of yet all ive heard are educated guesses at best.

[Vern Humphrey]

There was a fellow named Bretz who studied the topography of the Pacific Northwest and came to the conclusion that area had been swept by huge floods -- walls of water hundreds of feet high. It was caused by the repeated breaking and re-forming of an ice dam in Clark's Fork River -- a dam 5,000 feet high. At that time, most of North America was under a sheet of ice.

So what happened? Where did all the ice go? Were stone age people driving SUVs and building coal-fired power plants?

Or is periodic cooling and warming a natural phenomenon?

[togor]

Vern there are effects and there are effects. If you're a musician a little hiss in your amplifier is one thing, but AC humming from a bad ground is another. From an mathematical perspective both are quantifiable with the same analytical toolset.

A guy driving an RV in a persistent crosswind feels it in the steering wheel and manages, but a sudden unexpected blast of wind in the middle of a mountain bridge may cause that same RV to leave the deck. Both are winds across the axis of travel.

Slow gradual change is not what the recent report talks about. We've taken a hammer to the climate system (as if a tuning fork) with the sudden change from 250 ppm to 400+ ppm atmospheric CO2 (and rising). This is measured beyond dispute. Unlike a volcano we keep pouring it on. So now we study how the system responds to this hammer strike. And it is responding, make no mistake about that.

[leftyo]

while you like to say its all from man, how come these so called scientist never prove anything. you say they can tell the temp form a thousand years ago, why havent they shown it to prove their point? we all know we should live as clean as possible, but the scientist's and politicians never prove anything, and are only hyping it up to get $$$$$$$$$$$$!

[togor]

So the deal is I'm supposed to go read their papers and explain them to you? Ok, but I sure hope this is on the level and you ask good questions when I do.

As for $$$$$$, you don't think Koch Industries, ExxonMobil, the API, etc. aren't keenly aware of what a move away from petroleum does to bottom lines in their industry? Do you believe scientists who receive research grants from such people are oblivious as to what sort of results might bring in future grants? You act like the $$$$$ argument cuts only one way when even a moment's consideration tells you that's not true.

[JB White]

I recall when they discovered the Earth was shifting on its axis (yaw) we were told to expect a change in climate and a shift in seasons. I understand that several international airports had to adjust their GPS settings a tweak to compensate.
Here in Chicago, come Halloween people used to stuff pumpkin/jack-0-lantern lawn bags with fallen leaves. This year the leaves are still green on the trees and there is barely any leaf fall at all. It's November and we're having spring-like rains. Temps are in the 40's & 50's this year instead of the 30's.

This is what I expected to eventually see long before Al Gore began selling his Sci-Fi book of so-called truths. Climate change is real. The Al Gore version isn't. What ever happened to that doomsday hole in the ozone layer? We were all going to die from that in the 1980's.

[togor]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record

To get you started someone actually wrote a pretty good wiki page on it. Short answer is that from 1850 on we start getting a lot of direct measurement data. Before that they use proxy data that involves a bit more work. Not sure if this answers your "how do they know what the temperature was?" question but at least you now know that they agree with you that it is an important qu which they take seriously.

[leftyo]

So the deal is I'm supposed to go read their papers and explain them to you? Ok, but I sure hope this is on the level and you ask good questions when I do.

As for $$$$$$, you don't think Koch Industries, ExxonMobil, the API, etc. aren't keenly aware of what a move away from petroleum does to bottom lines in their industry? Do you believe scientists who receive research grants from such people are oblivious as to what sort of results might bring in future grants? You act like the $$$$$ argument cuts only one way when even a moment's consideration tells you that's not true.

so just following the charts form what you linked, you can see temp variations up and down, well before the industrial age. so here we sit at the same spot. yet while they show an upward trend recently, there isnt enough data further back to see whats really happening.