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  • free1954
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 1165

    #1

    another texan with a gun

    A concerned neighbor who heard the Texas church massacre unfolding on Sunday went and grabbed his rifle and tried to stop it — opening fire on the shooter and chasing him down in a stranger’s truck, a report says.
  • m1ashooter
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 3220

    #2
    An armed citizen did the right thing.
    To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC Policy

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    • barretcreek
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2013
      • 6065

      #3
      A few years ago a guy tried to shoot up a church in Colorado Springs. A member of the congregation was on security duty that day and stopped him. Naturally he killed himself.

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      • Vern Humphrey
        Administrator - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 15875

        #4
        Why aren't the mass media playing this up? As bad as it was, without an armed citizen, it would have been much worse.

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        • barretcreek
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2013
          • 6065

          #5
          Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
          Why aren't the mass media playing this up? As bad as it was, without an armed citizen, it would have been much worse.
          Conflicts with the narrative.

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          • togor
            Banned
            • Nov 2009
            • 17610

            #6
            Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
            Why aren't the mass media playing this up? As bad as it was, without an armed citizen, it would have been much worse.
            Actually the story is getting a lot of play. But the "Good Guy With a Gun" argument has its limits, and perhaps unintended consequences.

            For example, because Good Guys follow laws, there should be no problem putting AR-pattern rifles under NFA rules. Good Guys don't mind getting fingerprinted and having their acquisition put in the database, because they have nothing to hide in that respect, and manufacturers of course will be willing to offer up rebates on the tax because they want Good Guys to keep buying ARs. (Actually that last part could be true).

            The guy spent a year in military prison and got a BCD, and he submitted a clean 4473 and didn't get a NICS hit. I for one would like to know what the heck was going on there.

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            • S.A. Boggs
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 8568

              #7
              Originally posted by togor
              Actually the story is getting a lot of play. But the "Good Guy With a Gun" argument has its limits, and perhaps unintended consequences.

              For example, because Good Guys follow laws, there should be no problem putting AR-pattern rifles under NFA rules. Good Guys don't mind getting fingerprinted and having their acquisition put in the database, because they have nothing to hide in that respect, and manufacturers of course will be willing to offer up rebates on the tax because they want Good Guys to keep buying ARs. (Actually that last part could be true).

              The guy spent a year in military prison and got a BCD, and he submitted a clean 4473 and didn't get a NICS hit. I for one would like to know what the heck was going on there.
              That is the same question that I wondered about, did the AF screw up and not report this to the FBI? If so, someone else needs a court-martial for dereliction of duty.
              Sam

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              • RED
                Very Senior Member - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 11689

                #8
                Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
                That is the same question that I wondered about, did the AF screw up and not report this to the FBI? If so, someone else needs a court-martial for dereliction of duty.
                Sam
                It is just proof that the laws don't work and piling more and more rules, laws and, regulations on the good guys, doesn't keep the bad guys from getting weapons. Maybe it would be better to pass tougher laws on on the crimes... Make it a crime to commit, murder, rape and terrorist crimes.... wait I think that one might have been tried too, but it sure ain't working is it?

                What we need is just one more new law to go with the 25,000 laws we already have tried. We just need to keep adding them on and someday we will find the one that works. You cannot mandate common sense and that is in reality our real failure as a nation. People are no longer respectful of each other let alone the anthem, the flag, or the law. And this is what you get...
                Last edited by RED; 11-06-2017, 11:53.

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                • clintonhater
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 5220

                  #9
                  Originally posted by togor
                  The guy spent a year in military prison and got a BCD, and he submitted a clean 4473 and didn't get a NICS hit. I for one would like to know what the heck was going on there.
                  I for one would like to hear the FBI admit their error, because ordinarily, nothing will cause loss of gun rights faster than a domestic abuse charge; merely a charge, not a conviction! Or the federal prison authorities who failed to submit the required paperwork to the FBI. Not holding my breath.

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                  • togor
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 17610

                    #10
                    Well you'd be able to start breathing again because the AF admitted they didn't send the info on. They're hardly alone. The whole NICS system is sort of one giant loophole.

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                    • barretcreek
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 6065

                      #11
                      The whole NICS system is sort of one giant loophole

                      All gun show sales require a background check here. I wrote a guy a check and put my DL information on it. Somebody walked off with it while he is b.s.ing with his buddies.

                      I filed a report with the Sheriff and CO Bureau of Investigation who runs our check system. CBI acknowledges people make fake DL to buy guns. "Can I flag my DL in the system so I will be notified some way every time my DL is used to buy a gun?" Nope, no can do. Why bother catching crooks?

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                      • clintonhater
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 5220

                        #12
                        Originally posted by togor
                        Well you'd be able to start breathing again because the AF admitted they didn't send the info on.
                        So, will anyone in the AF bureaucracy be forced to accept responsibility? Or will it be blamed on "computer error," or some other BS excuse?

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                        • togor
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 17610

                          #13
                          Heads seem unlikely to roll IMO if that's what you're asking.

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                          • ddiwd
                            Member
                            • Aug 2017
                            • 32

                            #14
                            the occurrence of these shooting makes me feel like there might be something else attached to it, i bet before the end of this year there will be another shooting.

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                            • clintonhater
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 5220

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ddiwd
                              the occurrence of these shooting makes me feel like there might be something else attached to it, i bet before the end of this year there will be another shooting.
                              Something else? What else is needed to account for it but the US national philosophy of "if it feels good, do it," along with the belief that nothing in the universe is more important than "ME": expressing your (sick & selfish) personality, letting your inner SOB out to make life miserable for everyone around you. It's hideous tattoos, freakish piercings, transfreaks.

                              And to think I grew up worrying about nuclear war being the worst of all possibilities.

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