Who doesn't like Elephants ...

[dogtag]

Penguins and Ducks ?
Hazarding a guess, I'd venture there are a lot more
animal lovers than there are trophy hunters who like
to adorn their walls with the heads of decapitated animals.
I've always hated trophy hunting and hope Trump
continues the ban. Very unwise if he doesn't.
Elephants can be destructive when herds get overly
large, but controlled culling does a better job than
irresponsible trophy hunters who drool at the thought
of killing something more valuable to the landscape
than themselves.

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[clintonhater]

Because they've been pushed into reserves too small to provide the huge amount of vegetation they require every day, they do have to be culled, tragically. However, if it must be done to keep their environment from being destroyed (like aggressive feral horses are doing in large areas of western range land), I don't see why it's preferable to pay gov't hunters to do it, when there are fat cats willing to pay big bucks for the privilege.

But the pleasure derived from destroying the life of so magnificent & intelligent an animal is something I don't understand, especially when pro hunters (required by law) ensure that there's virtually no danger involved.

[dryheat]

More animals, less people.

[Vern Humphrey]

Because they've been pushed into reserves too small to provide the huge amount of vegetation they require every day, they do have to be culled, tragically. However, if it must be done to keep their environment from being destroyed (like aggressive feral horses are doing in large areas of western range land), I don't see why it's preferable to pay gov't hunters to do it, when there are fat cats willing to pay big bucks for the privilege.

But the pleasure derived from destroying the life of so magnificent & intelligent an animal is something I don't understand, especially when pro hunters (required by law) ensure that there's virtually no danger involved.

Have you ever killed a man?

If so, you would see the difference between "killing" and hunting game. A dead man is a tragedy -- as Uncle Billy Tilghman said, "you see a man turn into a thing."

But a dead deer, elk, squirrel, or even an elephant is different -- it is meat, hide and other things that we need to live. Hunting is bred into us.

[dogtag]

Have you ever killed a man?

If so, you would see the difference between "killing" and hunting game. A dead man is a tragedy -- as Uncle Billy Tilghman said, "you see a man turn into a thing."

But a dead deer, elk, squirrel, or even an elephant is different -- it is meat, hide and other things that we need to live. Hunting is bred into us.

You eat Elephant meat ?
The subject is Trophy Hunting NOT putting food on the table.

[Vern Humphrey]

You eat Elephant meat ?
The subject is Trophy Hunting NOT putting food on the table.

Obviously you haven't done any research here. The local farmers, who don't get enough protein in their diets, butcher the elephant and eat the meat -- they regard it as valuable. The hide and other products of the carcass are also used to the benefit of the local people.

[clintonhater]

A dead man is a tragedy -- as Uncle Billy Tilghman said, "you see a man turn into a thing."

Well, doesn't that depend on the man? Plenty of humans are no better than "things" while still alive. What's tragic about a heap of dead Taliban & ISIS killers? The only tragedy would be that some others got away.

Anyway, elephants are fundamentally different from deer, elk, squirrels, and every other game or domestic animal. If the difference isn't obvious, I don't know to explain it. However, I don't object to hunting them if that's what it takes to ensure their survival; but I don't want to be the one doing it.

[dogtag]

Right. A dead Charles Manson is a blessing not a tragedy.

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Obviously you haven't done any research here. The local farmers, who don't get enough protein in their diets, butcher the elephant and eat the meat -- they regard it as valuable. The hide and other products of the carcass are also used to the benefit of the local people.

There are thousands of Elephants, but millions of Farmers,
so,
Save the Elephants, kill the Farmers.
Much better idea.

[RED]

, but controlled culling does a better job than
irresponsible trophy hunters who drool at the thought
of killing something

Sorry but that is cockeyed. Elephant hunting in Zimbabwe and where it is allowed is strictly controlled and legal. You make it sound like any fool that wants to kill "something," can take his trusty .458 Mag. to Africa and off a dozen elephants anytime he pleases... Just like little girls can murder elks in Missouri.

[Ken The Kanuck]

I do not know what the laws are in other places but here in B.C. there is no trophy hunting, you have to eat what you kill. The exception are animals such as coyotes, etc. Shoot a grizzly, eat grizzly bear.

KTK

[Roadkingtrax]

Who gets to hunt the trophy hunters?

[RED]

I do not know what the laws are in other places but here in B.C. there is no trophy hunting, you have to eat what you kill. The exception are animals such as coyotes, etc. Shoot a grizzly, eat grizzly bear.

KTK

Unfortunately that wouldn't work down here. But they are working on it trying to get those that don't want to eat their kill to donate it to the free food pantrys. In order to keep the deer herds under some control, the Conservation Dep't will subsidize the cost of processing.

But at the same time they are adding more and more laws and regulations that are driving the processors out of business. There used to be no less that 4 places near me (20 Mi.). Now the closest one is 40 miles and charge a minimum of $75 just to grind your meat and $125 if they cut the steaks and butterfly the loins.

There was a time when I could shoot a deer, skin, gut, and quarter the carcass all by myself and be done within 20 minutes. I still have a 50 year old hand turned grinder that I used for years, but I'm now too old to do more than field dress my kill and don't that well.

Good on you guys in B.C.!!!!

[Vern Humphrey]

Anyway, elephants are fundamentally different from deer, elk, squirrels, and every other game or domestic animal. If the difference isn't obvious, I don't know to explain it.

If you can't explain it, how can you claim to know it?

Elephants are no different from any other animal -- from mice to moose.

[clintonhater]

I thought all states had laws requiring hunters to properly care for the meat, giving it away if the hunter doesn't want it, as opposed to just hacking off the rack and/or backstraps.

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[Vern Humphrey]

I thought all states had laws requiring hunters to properly care for the meat, giving it away if the hunter doesn't want it, as opposed to just hacking off the rack and/or backstraps.

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Yes, they do. And for elephants, it's more of a right than a law -- the local farmers consider the carcass their property and butcher it quickly