Anyone Here Use The Federal Tax Deduction for Med. Expenses?

[togor]

Senate Bill keeps it, House Bill ditches it.

[bruce]

No. But do routinely deduct my state and local taxes. Do not understand keeping a little used item like medical deduction but removing the deduction for state and local taxes, especially given that there is virtually no area in this nation where such a deduction is not a real dollar and cents help to average people. Sincerely. bruce.

[leftyo]

id much prefer to keep the state deductions.

[pmclaine]

I live in a state where the loss of SALT will be painful, but still....

Fine by me.

Lets see some of the libs now start feeling the pain of voting in over rides to pay for the latest local social engineering project with the salve of saying "Oh we will be able to take the deduction for that on our Federal taxes".

It adds some skin in the game locally and stops the subsidies for states/localities that wont control spending.

I just wish there was a way to have the people that pay no taxes feel the results of their desire to raise taxes.

[togor]

I live in a state where the loss of SALT will be painful, but still....

Fine by me.

Lets see some of the libs now start feeling the pain of voting in over rides to pay for the latest local social engineering project with the salve of saying "Oh we will be able to take the deduction for that on our Federal taxes".

It adds some skin in the game locally and stops the subsidies for states/localities that wont control spending.

I just wish there was a way to have the people that pay no taxes feel the results of their desire to raise taxes.

Let's be clear the law isn't passed yet so no one can say for sure what the situation will be next April 15.

But it sounds like you're prepared to personally accept a tax hike on the logic that similarly affected people will react by blaming the people who DIDN'T vote for the tax law.

Admirable, but the more likely explanation is that if the average Joe sees his Federal refund go down, he'll blame Trump and the Republicans. Most people don't think as deeply on this stuff as you do.

Of course the GOP in your state will do what it can on the messaging, but what will they be selling? The argument that because of Federal Tax cuts, we NEED state tax cuts to balance the state budget. Well, Joe may ask, if all of these taxes are being cut, then where is the money going? Joe doesn't see it.

"If you touch it then you own it" is the rule that I think will apply here. But again we need to see what the law actually does.

[pmclaine]

What Im saying is that in my "affluent" liberal town when it comes to over riding our property tax cap these people justify it by saying the will recoup some of the cost through their federal filings - and it is sold that way to them also - "Oh don't worry. Its just the cost of a cup of coffee a day. You get almost all of it back on your return anyway".

I am hoping, but Im not optimistic, that these peeps will now pay attention when the town declares it wants to build a college campus high school via a property tax over ride. Without that idea they will get some money back on a Fed deduction maybe, I doubt it because it would take higher logic to do it, the libs will demand some sort of fiscal responsibility rather than treating the residents like the ATM.

What I want to know is where did the idea come from that we have "to pay" for tax cuts. Tax cuts do not have to be paid for. Government just needs to shrink to the point that the money they receive will support the work they need to do.

It is very dangerous to me that government has made the decision that all money is theirs and we are "lucky" to have the money we are allowed to keep. Pelosi has voiced this concerning 401K accounts.

The government has no money. It earns and produces nothing. It takes from productive people and either provides the services we have directed it to provide or its gives to others so that they benefit from our labor.

Government needs to relearn it serves us, not us it.

[togor]

To your question, I think people instinctively think of it incrementally, as a deviation from the status quo. People accept the basic idea of having some government, getting some services through it, and paying some taxes for it. Now someone comes along and proposes a change--fewer taxes from some, fewer services for some. Or more. You see this in engineering and economics both. There is some overall set of flows in the system (electric current or money) and some net response to small ("incremental") changes. Occasionally that incremental model can be unstable in it's response to stimuli, with a resonance that is not sufficiently damped. Think Tacoma Narrows bridge.

https://youtu.be/nFzu6CNtqec

[pmclaine]

You have it backwards.

Govt by its heavy handed, inefficiency destroys the Tacoma Narrows Bridge.

They are creating a wave pattern with their continuous expansion that will result in the collapse of all.


That which governs least, governs best.

[RED]

Deductions or no deductions, the bottom line is how much money you give away in taxes. If your taxes are more then you have a tax increase and if it is less it was a reduction. What togor is trying to do is convince you that Trump is raising taxes and that is another one of his lies. Both the Senate and the House bills will reduce the amount of taxes the average tax payer owes. Will there be flaws? Yes. And they can and will be fixed.

[pmclaine]

Im pro the tax reform.

It doesn't go as far as I like.

but its a start.

Tugger is unconvincing.

[togor]

You have it backwards.

Govt by its heavy handed, inefficiency destroys the Tacoma Narrows Bridge.

They are creating a wave pattern with their continuous expansion that will result in the collapse of all.


That which governs least, governs best.

The bridge isn't an analogy, it is an example.

[RED]

Pretending to be togor: Did you watch the Army/Navy game?

For what ever unknown reason, I cannot start new threads... I can only reply.

So I am going to pretend I'm togor, and here would be his take.

THE ARMY CHEATED Their quarterback was a criminal rapist and should not have been a part of the game...

Here is the positive proof: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3686784

That is the same kind of evidence togor used to prove Roy Moore is a child molester.

[Allen]

For what ever unknown reason, I cannot start new threads...

???? The link works for me. I did a fresh login--selected forums--went to the individual forum such as "Gun Talk" and there it was but you've done this more than I have.

[togor]

Don't accept substitutions when you can have the real thing!

My take is that the Army's disciplinary process took it's course. The stuff on campuses can get messy, especially with a couple of 20 year old kids.

Moore by contrast was in his late 20s, a single man, plying the waters for young girls who were not yet equipped by life experience to handle someone like him. He fits the very definition of a predator.

If it makes you feel better he'll probably win on Tuesday. Will be interesting to see what the Senate does with him.

Keep in mind this is a guy removed from statewide office once and who resigned while under suspension. Of course all he has to do this time is win the election. The governor will take care of the rest.

[Allen]

Moore was removed from office twice like you state.

Once for refusing to have a monument of the 10 commandments removed from a federal building.

Once for trying to ban queer marriages.

These are assets to his record---not things to be ashamed of.

But this has been mentioned over and over here and you keep coming up with your same simple minded liberal sht thinking somehow you can convert us all over to your desperate commie party with your thin vocabulary and thick skull.

If any young girl or her parents had a real problem with Moore it would have been brought up decades ago--not 4 weeks before election. It's not hard for most voters to see the transparency here. The more you libby's speak the more determined we conservative's get. You seem to be more interested in child molesters which you mention in almost every thread you post vs child murderers (abortion) that your political party supports and even uses tax dollars to enforce.