Christian Teacher Suspended For "Misgendering" Trans Pupil

[sid]

Now he is suing the school and I wish him luck. When I read this sort of crap I sometimes think our whole country is going to hell. I have to keep reminding myself that the sane people are still the majority.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...t-sues-school/

[bruce]

It's modern england. Very much doubt the teacher will be able to prevail. The court will not rule contrary to the left-wing social system that now dominates. He would do better to emigrate to the US. Here he would have opportunities to pursue his career without being persecuted b/c of his Christian faith. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[togor]

Persecution? Seriously? Where's a Roman Guard, Spanish Inqusitor, or bunch of hungry lions when we need them?

[ddiwd]

This is so Funny, how do we address a person like Bruce Jenner ? "she" , "him" or maybe "Shim" (which is a combination of she and him).

[Allen]

This is so Funny, how do we address a person like Bruce Jenner ? "she" , "him" or maybe "Shim" (which is a combination of she and him).

Many years ago SNL had a skit character named Pat. No one knew if it was male or female and couldn't tell by the name either. All the skits involved characters asking questions for "it" to reveal "its" gender but nothing worked.

https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0LEV1uYQzBafCcALy1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0NzBpZW00BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDVUkyQzNfMQRzZWMDcGl2cw--?p=snl+pat&fr2=piv-web&fr=yfp-t

[togor]

Many years ago SNL had a skit character named Pat. No one knew if it was male or female and couldn't tell by the name either. All the skits involved characters asking questions for "it" to reveal "its" gender but nothing worked.

https://images.search.yahoo.com/sear...v-web&fr=yfp-t

Oh man if those "Pat" sketches ran today heads would roll!

[ddiwd]

the question i ask myself is, how the Hell did we get here and what are we gonna do.

[RED]

This is so Funny, how do we address a person like Bruce Jenner ? "she" , "him" or maybe "Shim" (which is a combination of she and him).

Obviously, "she it," is what it is.

[Allen]

Again, let's offend everyone at once.

[Mark in Ottawa]

Re the character "Pat" I remember seeing what I think was the last episode in which Pat appeared. The character answered the question of gender by taking off all the make-up and props and revealing herself to be a reasonably good looking woman. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_(Saturday_Night_Live)

[bruce]

Persecution? Seriously? Where's a Roman Guard, Spanish Inqusitor, or bunch of hungry lions when we need them?

Persecution. If anyone would use the word, let them use the word precisely. I use the word precisely. Take time to cruise through Persecution in the Early Church by Herbert B. Workman. It is a little something I ran across years ago when as a undergraduate I was plowing through some otherwise irrelevant reading assigned as part of a New Testament course on the Church in the Greco-Roman era.

Persecution. If anyone would use the word, let them use the word precisely. I use the word precisely. There once were people who put other people in ghettos to push them out of society, exclude them, render them a "other" group that would later be judged to have no right to basic human rights. The Nuremberg Laws of 1933 were not different from current efforts to use the law as a weapon by which to silence speech/advocacy by Christians when what they say/advocate for conflicts with the dominate social/political agenda of those who in the name of their left-wing liberal social/political agenda would construct a new ghetto ... excluding from academia, business, politics, etc., anyone with whom they cannot agree.

Persecution. If anyone would use the word, let them use the word precisely. I use the word precisely. Next time someone laughingly opines on a talk show, news program, discussion group, etc. about Christian faith and values, some particular pastoral or denominational leader with whom they disagree or a particular social/moral issue which they want to be beyond any discussion when the person or persons doing the talking are speaking from other than a secular or atheistic or agnostic perspective ... just ask yourself a question. Why is a man of faith in Christ to be silent? Why are people of faith to be silent? Why are we to be silent?

Persecution. If anyone would use the word, let them use the word precisely. I use the word precisely. This is well illustrated by our shared interest in firearms. Many of us on this board strongly support the 2nd Amendment and advocate for it. Some know people who have had problems in their social life, career, etc. because of their commitment to the 2nd Amendment, etc. Persecution is the word that applies when a man is forced to prevented from exercising his civil rights under the COTUS by individuals hostile to him and his exercise of those rights. Persecution is the word that applies when one looses out on a promotion at work for the simple reason that one is known to be a supporter of the 2nd Amendment. Persecution is the word when one is challenged, berated and labeled in a prejudicial manner in the midst of colleagues by those who seek to disqualify you and what you stand for because you do not endorse their confiscatory agenda regarding the ownership and use and possession of firearms.

Persecution. If anyone would use the word, let them use the word precisely. I use the word precisely. In exactly the same way as in the above paragraph, when I am accused of being "one of those turn the other cheek people," when I am looked on and treated as an oddball b/c while I am a local pastor I observe a crime and then take extreme action to stop that crime, when I am told to keep my thoughts and beliefs about social/political issues in the church on Sunday morning for "church folks" but not to speak about such when in the general public ... I use the word precisely. I do not apologize to those who take umbrage at my positions on retaliation, dealing with crime, social or political issues. I don't expect to be insulated from those who take issue with me ... or even those who make extreme responses, threaten to have me fired.

Persecution. If anyone would use the word, let them use the word precisely. I use the word precisely. I use it exactly as it applies in every sense of the word when those at the sharp end of the stick are are Christians ... and when they are not Christians ... but some other person, or some other people group, etc. being excluded, disqualified, marginalized because they out of conscience fail to do what they are told, go along with the flow, whatever because otherwise it will discomfort someone or some group of someones who think they alone have unquestionable authority to decide for one and all what will be the only acceptable norms for home and family, academia, society, business, etc.

Persecution. With respect, if anyone would use the word, let them use the word precisely.

[togor]

Let's go the pharmacy to fill a script. Say the pharmacist is a woman who by the code of her religion can't talk directly to men who aren't in her family. So if you want your pills you have to bring your wife or daughter to speak for you. Single? No wife or daughters? No problem, bring a neighbor lady.

It's her religion. If the nearest pharmacy is 50 miles away, that's too bad. This is your model of how things ought to work.

The first amendment, a marvel of economy in phrasing, protects all religions ultimately from each other by keeping any one religion from getting the upper hand in terms of state power. Sectarianism was rife in the early days of the republic.

Today, some churches are better at outreach and less bothered by social changes than others. Some sects have trouble coping with change, and like dying industries, seek protection of the government. But that's not really the point of the first amendment.

Now in the case of our UK teacher, there is hypersensitivity on all sides. But at the end of the day he is asked to use a certain pronoun on the job with respect to a student, who may also be said to be a customer. Not in his church, but on his job. If he can't bring himself to do that, then the remedy is obvious, and no he's not being persecuted for it. He's just getting booted in favor of someone who can do the job as required.

[blackhawknj]

A Christian teacher in the UK is suspending for "misgendering" a "tranny" pupil and we are are pillorying Elizabeth Warren for falsely claiming American Indian ancestry. Claiming to be something you aren't-isn't that misrepresentation, or, as we veterans say, being a "poseur" ?

[Marty T.]

Claiming to be something you're not is a hypocrite and a liar. Just because I say I'm rich doesn't mean the guy at the car dealership has to give me a new car. It is what it is and nothing can change that. Let's call a spade a spade and be done with it.

[bruce]

Re: Pharmacy, etc. Gave your response some thought. Simply do not agree. The teacher is not pushing some outrageous agenda. He simply called a male student by the male pronoun. That is in every respect correct. It is the same as calling a demokrat a liberal ... or a liberal a democrat. The logic is inescapable.

The first amendment does not protect secular/agnostic/atheist from persons who have a faith perspective. Otherwise, it privileges the belief structure of secular/agnostic/atheist. In this case, the teacher is being persecuted by a system hostile to his own faith, for the simple reason that the system in place is shaped by a belief system predicated upon secularism, agnosticism, athiesm, ... or nothingism. Of course since it is England, the very idea of religious freedom of any sort is a non-starter.

Now if and when this sort of thing becomes the law of the land in the US, then at that point I will show as much respect for it as I always have shown the Johnson Amendment. Sincerely. bruce.