Now, finally there is actual evidence there was colusion with the Russians!

[togor]

?????????????????????????? WTF ?

Now I know that you have more than one user name.

Two comments here:

It frightens you to consider that more than one person is immune to the powers of Trump's Bullsh*t Mindf*ck Ray? I assure you there are lots of us, even among gun owners, and more every day. Trump's BMR isn't working like it used to.

You believed and voted for Roy Moore instead of the girls, Alabama girls at that, despite everything you've come to know about him over the years, including how he used his non-profit as a private piggy bank. If you don't get how that makes you look bad, accept that it just does.

[RED]

That's Fox's take on it...a network whose opinion people toil nightly to convince their audience that everything is just fine on Pennsylvania Avenue. If you ask the Clinton people, Comey's big nothing-burger a week before the election about the Weiner computer threw the election to Trump.

The trouble, my friend (may I call you that?) seems to be that your sense of proportion has deserted you. You have a guilty plea from a senior guy in the Trump camp, with a pledge to cooperate in further investigation as just one of the fruits of the Mueller investigation so far. Most people regard that as proof that there is some rottenness that needs sunlight--at a minimum. To you that is an extraneous sideshow. But an FBI agent gets caught putting his feelings down in a private text, and that is proof of some vast conspiracy against your man!

By your logic if we search the texts of every FBI agent and can find some derogatory of Clinton (what are the odds?) that should prove a conspiracy against Hillary. Right? By your logic.

Most people but not you are sensible enough to understand the difference between Clinton and Trump right now. Clinton has no power in government and has already been put through the investigative wringer many times. What they found was someone who flouted rules but apparently didn't do anything to intentionally harm the United States. That's not just my opinion, it's also the DOJ's, under Obama and Trump both.

Trump by contrast has enormous power and there is more than anecdotal evidence that he is using and abusing that power for private gain and for motives that are both dubious and hidden. Not all of it will be revealed through Mueller. But because Trump has the power of his office, it is clearly the more salient task to get to the bottom of his motivations. So Mueller has a job to do and the people want him to do it.

I mean, for you to insist that they investigate Hillary yet again, and investigate Trump...never...is incontrovertible evidence of your Kool-aid consumption. As if your orange-stained lips weren't proof enough.

That is so lame... a guilty plea to a crime that was committed before Trump ran and had nothing to do with the election is positive proof that Trump colluded with the Russians... Shame on you...

[leftyo]

nice to see you two brothers reunited!

[RED]

So Fox news is lying about the FBI bias???

Maybe there are a couple of others out there lying about it as well. Then it has to be true that the only real news that you can trust comes from The Three Stooges and Schemp.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...r-texts-294156

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/12/11/russia-collusion-investigation-suspend-robert-muellers-bias-democratic-investigation-robbins-column/938619001/

[url]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/4/robert-muellers-bias-will-affect-his-investigation/[url]

[url]www.nationalreview.com/.../mueller-investigation-too-many-anti-trump-coincidences[url]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/12/peter-strzok-fbi-agent-removed-muellers-russia-probe-called-trump/946913001/

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/fbi-agents-called-trump-idiot.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fbis-pro-clinton-anti-trump-bias-in-the-spotlight/article/2642847

https://nypost.com/2017/12/05/feds-eye-anti-trump-fbi-agent-over-shady-moves-in-hillary-email-probe/

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/shame-on-the-fbi-for-dropping-hillary-clintons-email-scandal/article/2634031

http://dailysignal.com/2017/12/13/after-texts-show-bias-of-fbi-agents-in-russia-probe-gop-lawmakers-question-justice-official-in-testy-hearing/

[togor]

Red:

What is Trump afraid of? What are you afraid of for the FBI figuring out what the Russians were doing, and why Trump people took meetings with them? It seems like you're terrified that the wheels will come off if the truth comes out.

[aintright]

I really don't give a rats ass if he met with them or not , if there was collaboration , and I doubt it , I feel defeating Hillary was a case of the means justifies the end . I know you can't be too f$&king lame to understand that . There is no way you could be so god$&mned stupid as to think Hillary would have been a better option .
Kenneth
Edited to clarify that I don't believe there was wrong doing , just a typical assault of character that follows SOP for democrats and the media .

[togor]

I really don't give a rats ass if he met with them or not , defeating Hillary was a case of the means justifies the end . I know you can't be too f$&king lame to understand that . There is no way you could be so god$&mned stupid as to think Hillary would have been a better option .
Kenneth

Hillary would been a lousy president in a bunch of other ways. But IMO it's a huge mistake to look the other way when politicians start making their own rules to go by instead of living by the ones made in the name of the us the people. Lord knows if HRC won you would be demanding investigation of even the smallest irregularities. So integrity demands that you expect the same for Trump.

[RED]

Red:

What is Trump afraid of? What are you afraid of for the FBI figuring out what the Russians were doing, and why Trump people took meetings with them? It seems like you're terrified that the wheels will come off if the truth comes out.

Trump isn't afraid of a damn thing and certainly not low life lying, cheating, cowardly, back stabbing, SOB's like you and Mueller. Other honest decent, patriotic Americans have been railroaded in the past and the entire collusion thing is a hoax. Research Scooter Libby... The President could pardon all 300+ million Americans including himself and is in no danger. What is in danger of happening is the collapse of freedom in the U.S. BTW... look up the most overturned President in U.S. history. SCOTUS has over turned more Obama Administration cases than any other President... Something like 20 of those cases were nine to zero. When judges you appointed rule against you that many times, there is an obvious problem.

Trump's people also met with the British, Japanese, Chinese, Greeks, Italians, Algerians, French, Norwegians, Canadians, Brazilians, Spainish, Germans, and others... So what! That's what they were supposed to do and that is what the Obama, the Bush, the Clinton, the Reagan, the Nixon, the Eisenhower, the Kennedy and the Truman administrations all did as well.

[togor]

You say Trump isn't afraid of a damn thing but then go on to explain that he is in fact afraid of being railroaded.

Given that our prisons are choc full of people found guilty by juries but who swear that they were railroaded by corrupt cops and DAs, I'm not persuaded by Trump's claim. In my view he is acting very much like someone with something to hide. Insofar as he works for me now, I damn well want to know what he is hiding. This isn't classified national security stuff either. This is evidence so far of multiple contacts with Russians by an organization that repeatedly told us no such contacts occurred.

I suppose for you a failing memory amounts to a wind at your back, sustaining your belief in the hollow shell that is Trumpism. Not everyone is blessed with that condition. Some of us are doomed to judge him by the totality of his time in public life.

[togor]

Red: the quote below is from an online article. How much of it do you concede is factually true? What of it do you claim is factually false? The point made in the article is that the Russian intelligence agencies were heavily recruiting people in Trump's circle.

The sheer number of Russia’s attempted contacts with the highest level of a U.S. presidential campaign and then transition team is mind-boggling. They employed Ambassador Sergey Kislyak to engage members of Trump’s team, like Jeff Sessions, Michael Flynn, and Jared Kushner. They put the head of a Kremlin-linked bank under U.S. sanctions in front of Kushner. They used Trump business partners to arrange a meeting between a Russian lawyer and others (including those with ties to Russian intelligence) with Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, and Kushner. They used the National Rifle Association to get another Russian banker close to Putin, Alexander Torshin, in front of Trump Jr. They approached George Papadopoulos through a Russian professor in an effort to set up a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin (a professor who also gave information that the Kremlin had dirt on Clinton). They got Carter Page to provide one of their intelligence officers with industry documents and invited him to Moscow and elsewhere for meetings. They used Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska to keep pressure on Manafort, who was already allegedly being paid by Russian intelligence. They partnered with WikiLeaks, which contacted Trump Jr. They feted Mike Flynn at a gala for Russia Today and paid him.

In the end the scandal that may undo Trump is his limp-dick response to this intel and disinformation assault on the American government and American people by a hostile foreign power. Iike DJT himself once said, "either you have a country or you don't.". By his own standard he fails, right?

[RED]

Red: the quote below is from an online article. How much of it do you concede is factually true?

attempted contacts

So Trump is guilty of having the Russians attempt to contact his people. What do you think the Russian Ambassador's job is... He is supposed to be contacting the Americans. That is his frigging job just as it is the job of the American ambassador to contact Russians that are running the show.

Was Trump supposed to call Vlad and tell him "Say there my friend, You can't have your people here in the USA go around and talk to America? Pretty please Val, with jelly on it... I will give you some more uranium..."

The corrupt hierarchy of the FBI were illegally engaged with helping and abetting the Clinton campaign and, in the very unlikely event Clinton some how lost, they were pursuing an "insurance policy," that would prevent Trump from serving as President.

The so called and phony "dossier," was part of that "insurance policy." It was funded by the Clinton campaign and the British agent Clinton hired was paid to produce the document and received help from Russian agents. The FBI's role was to introduce the document and lend it some credence and that was done.

Only a complete imbecile would believe the Russians wanted Trump to win. Trump is a fighter, he wants MAGA, he wants a stronger military, he will support American allies and a more aggressive foreign policy. Not one of those items is anything the Russians want to happen. Clinton would have further decimated our military, tried to pacify No. Korea with billions in aide, and the USSR would have been resurrected.

You are a total fake, fraud and malcontent. Apparently you get your jollies by antagonizing patriotic Americans that believe in God, family and American. You don't believe in God but your rotten sorry ass will rot in Hell for all eternity.

[Roadkingtrax]

You say Trump isn't afraid of a damn thing but then go on to explain that he is in fact afraid of being railroaded.

Trump's in the laundry business. He's very afraid.

[Dick Hosmer]

Uhhh - wouldn't impeachment only cover "crimes" "committed" WHILE IN OFFICE ?????

[RED]

Trump's in the laundry business. He's very afraid.

You don't know Trump. You have no clue what is happening... What is happening is a coup, an attempted overthrow of the Constitutional Government. And American haters will do the perp walk. I sincerely hope the Three Stooges + Shemp will join Loretta Lynch, Comey, Mueller, and Hillary when those criminals do the perp walk.

[Roadkingtrax]

You don't know Trump. You have no clue what is happening... What is happening is a coup, an attempted overthrow of the Constitutional Government. And American haters will do the perp walk. I sincerely hope the Three Stooges + Shemp will join Loretta Lynch, Comey, Mueller, and Hillary when those criminals do the perp walk.

You claim to be some moral authority, yet you give no justification for the repetitive omittance of all Russian ties by those closely associated with Trump and those now under federal indictment.

A Saturday Night Massacre Part II, or an Executive Order administrated by the president granting him the authority to unilaterally dismiss Mueller would be a US government crisis of the highest order. Let's hope that Trumps is not that short sighted as he plays a fiddle among the flames that will arrive at his feet.