"Trump's Tax Plan Is The Worst Piece Of Legislation...

[Roadkingtrax]

One wonders if the net effect of this will be an uptick in union membership in the labor force.

[Clark Howard]

I wonder? Are we still calculating employment numbers under the obama rules, or have returned to the honest method?

[Allen]

Cut back on welfare payments, stop free phones, cut way back on food stamps and clamp down on there use (what can be purchased with them) and more people will be available for work! 4% unemployment? Only the way the Gov. figures! They all want to look good!

Agree. Welfare, in most cases, should be temporary and extremely hard to qualify for instead of being given out like Halloween candy. Here in Alabama in order to receive food stamps you must now show proof of employment. The applications dropped 80% overnight.

I know someone who works, makes a decent income and is an able bodied young person in good health. He pays only $2 per month for welfare obamacare.

[togor]

Cut back on welfare payments, stop free phones, cut way back on food stamps and clamp down on there use (what can be purchased with them) and more people will be available for work! 4% unemployment? Only the way the Gov. figures! They all want to look good!

Yeah and employers want them to pass a drug test, don't forget. No weed, no opioids.

You guys still don't get it. OK, try it this way.

What in this tax bill is going to make major amounts of capital suddenly flow into depressed areas where industry has declined? Rust belt and Appalachia? It's possible that Ohio or Michigan sees capital come in, but upstate New York? West Virginia? It's still a tough sell to get guys to put capital into those areas. Now maybe you're telling me that a hard-hearted welfare policy will get people to leave Podunk, NY or Whatsit, MO to travel to where the jobs are, possibly in another state. But that's sure not what the good conservatives of those towns thought they were signing up for when they elected their GOP Congressman or Senator, is it?

[Allen]

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I pay H&R Block nearly $500 per year to do my taxes. It looks like I'll be able to save that amount now by doing them myself.

[RED]

Red you can dance in celebration now if you like for the huge windfalls to people in Commercial Real Estate.

For my part I wouldn't trust Paul Ryan for a millesecond, so I wait for the other shoe to fall next year. We're hearing whispers of cuts to Medicare and maybe Social Security. Definitely to Medicaid. Of course no one here knows anyone who uses any of those programs.

My observation about this tax plan is that the direct effect is to put more money in the hands of people who already have a lot of it. You make the trickle down argument that this will change the equilibrium somehow such that wages go up at the bottom. An indirect effect. But insofar as capital is used to hold wages down through investments in automation and offshoring, all I think this does is free up more capital to do more of that. The result of this tax cut will not be to make US industry less efficient by raising labor costs.

If the economy continues growing at the rate it has in the past year, tax revenue will skyrocket, the deficit will start to go down and everybody in the U.S. will be better off. If 10 million people get filthy rich...HOORAY! On the other hand, if you had your wish, 10 million Americans would starve! You are sick, sick, sick.

[S.A. Boggs]

Yeah and employers want them to pass a drug test, don't forget. No weed, no opioids.

You guys still don't get it. OK, try it this way.

What in this tax bill is going to make major amounts of capital suddenly flow into depressed areas where industry has declined? Rust belt and Appalachia? It's possible that Ohio or Michigan sees capital come in, but upstate New York? West Virginia? It's still a tough sell to get guys to put capital into those areas. Now maybe you're telling me that a hard-hearted welfare policy will get people to leave Podunk, NY or Whatsit, MO to travel to where the jobs are, possibly in another state. But that's sure not what the good conservatives of those towns thought they were signing up for when they elected their GOP Congressman or Senator, is it?

I wouldn't discount West Virginia, a hard working honorable people I know having worked there and with them. Capital will flow to where money can be made, that makes sense. People will move where the jobs are, why are you so afraid? Should one of us lead you by the hand into the sunshine and out of the planned darkness of National Socialism. This is about people doing for themselves and their family, not government taxing and then buying votes to keep National Socialists in power. Watching Schumer yesterday saying how this bill will hurt the working people and then ATT and other's stating bonus, increased wages BECAUSE OF THE BILL. National Socialists need people on the dole and beholding to government for votes and raw power. Republicans want people to fend for themselves, to make their own decisions on spending their own money not wait on the EBT card being loaded or money sent out. Chuck and Nancy care about their own personal power and who's vote they can buy. If kicking illegals out would get them votes Nancy or Chuck would drive the bus!
Sam

[togor]

The calculators put my win at about 1.3%. I don't see how my saving 1.3% is going to make flowers bloom across the land. But maybe the 50% that the connected guys save will. That's the hope, right?

I like Louis Black's description to trickle-down economics: Drink 10 beers, then pee your pants. Put an empty cup by the cuff of one pants leg. The piss that makes it all the way to the cup is your trickle-down.

Not-so-bold prediction: next year you guys will be braying on cue from your Foxnews.com masters for deficit reduction.

[Rock]

cut way back on food stamps and clamp down on there use (what can be purchased with them)

Good idea. Food stamps should only be good to obtain fresh fruit, vegetables, unprocessed meat products, milk and fruit juices. That would improve the health of the people who need this help. If anyone insists on consuming boxed, processed junk, cookies and cakes, soda pop and beer, let then earn the money to pay for it.

[togor]

Good idea. Food stamps should only be good to obtain fresh fruit, vegetables, unprocessed meat products, milk and fruit juices. That would improve the health of the people who need this help. If anyone insists on consuming boxed, processed junk, cookies and cakes, soda pop and beer, let then earn the money to pay for it.

Basically only stuff with the shortest possible shelf life, completely ignoring the logistical problems that causes, particularly in the areas (especially rural ones) where the poor are found.

[S.A. Boggs]

Basically only stuff with the shortest possible shelf life, completely ignoring the logistical problems that causes, particularly in the areas (especially rural ones) where the poor are found.

Now that we have heard from an "expert" now reality. I live in a rural area and when a case manager taught people how to buy food and prepare ANY food [my hobby is cooking/baking]. People buy "convenience" food because they are lazy and have an entitlement mentality to go with it. My clients bought more TV dinners then fresh food or food that needed to be cooked because frozen food is easier. Sweets were a big purchase, sweet tea in cans/bottles rather then bags. There is no logistical concern in our area then in any other, trucks come in and replenish stock just like any where else. My wife has been with our local Wal-Mart since day one, she was one of the first hires. The store gets daily replenishments from the Warehouse and other vendors so the shelves are stocked if stock is available. There needs to be a drastic change in what can be purchased, money needs to be spent wisely not foolishly. If people want this stuff let them work for it like the rest of us do.
Sam

[togor]

Sam I've been to enough grocery stores in my life to know that the really good peaches end up in some places and not others, and you can pretty much tell from the outside of the building.

Carrots, potatoes, whatever, but Asparagus in winter? That is a long supply chain to being with.

Now some guys here hate Walmart because of their price pressure on suppliers, but Walmart does a pretty good job of getting decent produce into rural areas. But as you say, it's less convenient.

The people getting by without assistance shop at Walmart and tend to buy the processed stuff and junk for a lot of reasons, some better than others. When first lady Michelle Obama encourages them to feed their kids better, then this forum hoots and sneers at her "commie" agenda! But make those same shoppers a little poorer so they get assistance, and now your government program will FORCE THEM TO EAT THE WAY MOOCHELLE WANTS THEM TO? Call me unimpressed with the level of thought here.

[togor]

Here is the Hannity transcript from 2010 nailing Obama for trying to do the thing that some here suggest. Excuse me if my head is spinning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2010/05/13/michelle-obama-hypocritical-war-on-junk-food.html

[Allen]

Pictures say it all.

[RED]

Here is the Hannity transcript from 2010 nailing Obama for trying to do the thing that some here suggest. Excuse me if my head is spinning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2010/05...junk-food.html

More trolling from a Stooge. Togor has never seen let alone read or analysied tax reform Act. He takes the word of one of his beloved liars in the MSM and repeats them. He is in my opinion a blowhard who has yet to post a single thing that was right. He was wrong about the nomination, the election, about Sesion, about Tillerson (they were going to quit), and about everything else.

He makes Beau Bergdahl lok like a patriot.