End of the 2 State Solution?

[togor]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/0...gtype=Homepage

Not that it was showing much in the way of life. The Zionists may not be thinking this one all the way through, how the demographics might shape up, and the world has changed just a bit since the days of biblical Judea.

[dogtag]

With the Balfour Declaration and the later 1948 ruling
declaring Israel Statehood, all the intelligent Palestinians
who were great business men packed up and left for greener
pastures, leaving the riff raff behind to fend for themselves.
The peoples now calling themselves Palestinians are not
capable of forming a viable governing body. They are thugs
pure and simple, good only for creating chaos and garbage.
If Israel stopped supplying their needs they would dry up
and blow away on the desert winds.

[dryheat]

What the heck is a Zionist? I've never known. I guess I could look it up, but maybe one of you could explain it.

[togor]

Zionists get their name from an historically important hill south of Jerusalem. It's a movement that wants to see territorial boundaries for the modern Jewish state set along historical lines.

So they are expansionist both in geographic terms as well as creating special preference for Judaism in the laws of the state. The number of ultra-Orthodox sect members who study the ancient books as a full time gig on state subsidy is not small.

[bruce]

History is always best understood in the long run. Modern day Israel is merely a secular political state. Any supposition that it reflects more than a remote connection with the Old Testament Biblical Israel is a tissue. The current reality is that Israel is a secular state that tolerates the inconvenience of the Jewish faith in the national life. The great challenge for Israel will be from within. Given the inadequate birthrate it will be increasingly difficult for the current conservatives to maintain the level of control they currently enjoy. Younger people are not going to have the large families necessary to produce a growing Jewish population. The other people groups in the area are not going to go away. The current right-wing govt. can and will use the ghetto methods that served in another era to marginalize and exclude those people groups that the conservatives fear. But, in the long run, they will only delay what they cannot stop. It is not unlike parallels one can see in the social and political life of our nation. That's just the way it is. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[togor]

More like South Africa than the United States in terms of overt apartheid. In terms of younger people being less religious, that is true pretty much anywhere in the world they are given a chance, and which isn't a complete craphole to live in. Crapholes are great for religion.

[m1ashooter]

there isn't a chance of a two state solution. That option has been on the table since the beginning. The population growth rates on either side is going to be the determination point as stated in the future.

[Vern Humphrey]

The problem is this: It has been said that Israel wants three things but can only have two.

1. Israel wants to be a Jewish state.
2. Israel wants to be a democracy
3. Israel wants to control all the land between the sea and the Jordan.

Now here's the problem:

1. If Israel controls all the land between the sea and the Jordan (the one state solution) and remains a democracy, it will cease to be a Jewish state, because the newly-enfranchised Muslims will soon outnumber and outvote the Jews.

2. If Israel controls all the land between the sea and the Jordan (the one state solution) and remains a Jewish state, it will cease to be a democracy, because the Muslims will have to be disenfranchised to keep them from ending the Jewish nature of the state.

3. If Israel wants to be a democracy AND a Jewish state, she must ultimately give up control of Gaza and the West Bank.

[Clark Howard]

Two other courses of action:
1. The United States continues to support both Israel and the Palestinians, until the Arabs gain the upper hand, and destroy Israel and murder the Jews who live there.
2. The United States cuts off aid to one or both of the warring parties, then, when the Arabs gain the upper hand, they destroy Israel and drive the survivors into the Med.
The Muz are still arguing and spilling their own blood over insults that occurred 700 years ago. Does anyone think that they will not prevail in time? Regards, Clark