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  • S.A. Boggs
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 8568

    #1

    Gov of NY

    Plans to sue in court that the tax cut is illegal, unconstitutional and will hurt New York and help Republican states. This is going to get interesting now, the tax cut will help our family a great deal and other's that I know of in our AO. Maybe he should petition Canada to help them out.
    Sam
  • clintonhater
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 5220

    #2
    Crushing property taxes are the only way this megalomaniac can fund the building projects needed to repay his 100% union support (like, replacing every bridge & culvert in the state!), huge grant giveaways for so-called "arts projects, and other expenditures intended to curry local support. For ex., state money has been provided to many rural volunteer fire depts. to build grandiose fire-stations the size of those found in big cities; yes, nice to have, but who pays for it? The public, through property & state income taxes, and those above median income levels (not me!) will be hurt by the new law; not that I have many tears to shed for the wealthy.

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    • S.A. Boggs
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 8568

      #3
      Originally posted by clintonhater
      Crushing property taxes are the only way this megalomaniac can fund the building projects needed to repay his 100% union support (like, replacing every bridge & culvert in the state!), huge grant giveaways for so-called "arts projects, and other expenditures intended to curry local support. For ex., state money has been provided to many rural volunteer fire depts. to build grandiose fire-stations the size of those found in big cities; yes, nice to have, but who pays for it? The public, through property & state income taxes, and those above median income levels (not me!) will be hurt by the new law; not that I have many tears to shed for the wealthy.
      If you can afford this $$$homes, why not kick in for the state taxes as well. Maybe people will start to see how expensive it is to live/move there and reconsider this as unwise. This will be a win for the fed's as more money from this area will now be available and not subsidizing certain states at the expense of others. If the good governor tries to declare the law void, many people in his state will be affected who don't own property.
      Sam

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      • barretcreek
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2013
        • 6065

        #4
        For many years all of our local officials, judges, D.A. cops and county att'y were in the phone book. Some still are. Do you think any of those criminals in the Eastern Bloc list their phone and address? Too afraid of Mme. Justice paying a visit. Elected officials back east usually have bodyguards whenever they're amongst the scum.

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        • clintonhater
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2015
          • 5220

          #5
          Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
          you can afford this $$$homes, why not kick in for the state taxes as well. Maybe people will start to see how expensive it is to live/move there and reconsider this as unwise...
          They don't need to be told. Constantly running on local TV are state sponsored ads offering 10 yrs tax-free to any new business moving into NY. Has worked in luring a few Canadian companies over the border, but they'll probably go back after they get their first tax bill.

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          • dave
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 6778

            #6
            They can still deduct some of their state tax, up to 10,000, I think? I think NY income tax is 9% or is that sales tax?
            You can never go home again.

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            • Dan Shapiro
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 5864

              #7
              Here in the Democratik People's Republik of Kalifornia, one of our wonderful Democratic state assembly people is floating an idea to combat the Trump tax cuts that will effect the deductibility of state taxes.

              In true Democratic form, "state taxes" will no longer be called "state taxes". They will be called "charitable contributions".

              The imbecile didn't think this out. If state taxes are now "charitable contributions", what happens when I don't want to "contribute"?
              "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe, while Congress is in session." Mark Twain

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              • bruce
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 3759

                #8
                [Re: Contributions. No fan of kalifornia or its political repression. But, the contributions thing is not hard to figure. Actually it is a very simple workaround to nix the intended effect of the fed. tax law on state tax payers in particular blue states. You get a tax bill. You send in the exact amount of the tax bill as a "contribution" to the state general fund. The state credits that "contribution" to you by canceling your tax bill or crediting you as PIF on your taxes. You take the "contribution" off your fed. taxes. If you choose to make no "contribution" to the state, then you are liable for your state taxes which you must pay. You pay your state taxes. Under the new fed. tax law, you are not able to deduct the state taxes you paid. Either way you come out on the short end of the stick, but the second way leaves you with an even shorter end of the stick. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.
                " Unlike most conservatives, libs have no problem exploiting dead children and dancing on their graves."

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                • togor
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 17610

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dan Shapiro
                  Here in the Democratik People's Republik of Kalifornia, one of our wonderful Democratic state assembly people is floating an idea to combat the Trump tax cuts that will effect the deductibility of state taxes.

                  In true Democratic form, "state taxes" will no longer be called "state taxes". They will be called "charitable contributions".

                  The imbecile didn't think this out. If state taxes are now "charitable contributions", what happens when I don't want to "contribute"?
                  But it lowers your total tax bill, will you go along with it?

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                  • Tuna
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 2686

                    #10
                    Isn't there now a limited amount one can now donate to charity and is phased out over time under the new tax bill???????

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                    • barretcreek
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 6065

                      #11
                      Sorry Bruce, it ain't a charitable contribution any more than paying protection money to the mob. The 'contribution in lieu of' won't fly.

                      But I would like to see that scumbag deLeone try it and end up in Club Fed for conspiracy.
                      Last edited by barretcreek; 01-05-2018, 08:55.

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                      • clintonhater
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 5220

                        #12
                        Originally posted by dave
                        They can still deduct some of their state tax, up to 10,000, I think? I think NY income tax is 9% or is that sales tax?
                        Sales tax. The killer is property & school taxes (remember, "nothing is too good for kids," or the teacher's unions), esp. in the most densely populated areas around NYC & Long Island.

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                        • dogtag
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 14985

                          #13
                          Truth is; you don't actually own property - you rent it
                          from your local government.Try not paying you property tax
                          and see how long you remain a property owner.

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                          • bruce
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 3759

                            #14
                            Originally posted by barretcreek
                            Sorry Bruce, it ain't a charitable contribution any more than paying protection money to the mob. The 'contribution in lieu of' won't fly.

                            But I would like to see that scumbag deLeone try it and end up in Club Fed for conspiracy.
                            Got no idea who deleone is and don't care.

                            If the chief justice of the SC can define a mandate as a tax, then there is no reason a governor/legislature cannot stipulate that a citizen can donate a charitable contribution to the state in lieu of tax ... and then credit the tax payers bill. There isn't anything the congress can do about it till the next go around. A state has complete control over its own taxation. The fed. folks can only follow the law as it is written. Next time, they'll have to slow down and write the legislation right to deal with such foolishness.

                            This contribution business is about as rational as anything coming out of washington ... like the idea that a corporation is a person with free speech rights, etc. Sincerely. bruce.
                            " Unlike most conservatives, libs have no problem exploiting dead children and dancing on their graves."

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                            • bruce
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 3759

                              #15
                              Originally posted by dogtag
                              Truth is; you don't actually own property - you rent it
                              from your local government.Try not paying you property tax
                              and see how long you remain a property owner.
                              Tax is the cost of owning property. It is no different than garbage fees, HOA fee, lawncare, water bill, etc. When you own property, you have to expect to pay the cost of owning that property. If you rent, you end up paying the property tax through your rent. It's just the way things work. Sincerely. bruce.
                              " Unlike most conservatives, libs have no problem exploiting dead children and dancing on their graves."

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