Guess How Many Unarmed Blacks Were Killed By The Police Last Year?

[Dick Hosmer]

Correct--what else would you call it? Although you're an ignorant fool is you really think that "throwing
the gun into the nearest bush" is relevant to any of of these well-publicized "unarmed" killings, where there WAS no gun to be thrown.

The one exception was the killing of Philandro Castile, who did have a pistol permit, and informed his killer of it as required by law in many states; complying with that law was his death sentence. I have a permit, always carry, but law or no law, it would be asking for trouble to tell any cop who stopped you for a traffic violation about it.

Then why do nearly all "how to deal with a traffic stop" videos recommend providing your carry permit along with your driver's license? I'd think that the LAST thing you'd want is for the cop to be "surprised" by the presence of your firearm, during a pat-down.

[clintonhater]

Then why do nearly all "how to deal with a traffic stop" videos recommend providing your carry permit along with your driver's license? I'd think that the LAST thing you'd want is for the cop to be "surprised" by the presence of your firearm, during a pat-down.

True--but a pat-down isn't a usual part of a routine stop for speeding, etc.; in fact, they usually say "stay in your car."

[Dolt]

While anyone is entitled to their own opinion, if you haven't worked in law enforcement your opinion regarding deadly encounters carries less weight than those who have dealt with these events. It reminds me of civilians who have never been in combat being critical of how our military operates. Put in your own two cents if you feel the need, but don't think it carries any weight with those who know about such things.

[bruce]

While anyone is entitled to their own opinion, if you haven't worked in law enforcement your opinion regarding deadly encounters carries less weight than those who have dealt with these events. It reminds me of civilians who have never been in combat being critical of how our military operates. Put in your own two cents if you feel the need, but don't think it carries any weight with those who know about such things.

It carries weight when the votes are counted. It's that simple. The police protect and serve the public. It's that simple. IF the public looses confidence in the police, then the police are in extremely serious trouble. They simply cannot protect and serve the public w/o the support and confidence of the public they protect and serve. It has nothing at all to do with a combat operation. The police are civilians, the same as any other citizen. Only the military is the military. The police do not operate beyond civilian control. If the civil public has no confidence in the police, then the officers might as well turn in their badges and seek employment elsewhere. Because when it comes to how the police are viewed, supported, etc., the only opinion that counts is that of the public they protect and serve.

[clintonhater]

The police are civilians, the same as any other citizen. Only the military is the military...

You wouldn't know that from the weapons, uniforms, and other military gear, commonly issued by police depts. today.

[TomSudz]

True--but a pat-down isn't a usual part of a routine stop for speeding, etc.; in fact, they usually say "stay in your car."

Some states require you to let the officer know. I've never had a problem when handing a cop my CCW with my license. Just put your hands right back on the wheel and when he looks at the CCW let him know you're wearing it (DON'T say I have a gun). The normal response I get is "thanks for letting me know." It beats the hell out of leaning over to reach in the glove box and having the cop spot it. That's when things get ugly.

[togor]

Good advice but as we have seen, for some drivers in some neighborhoods, the LEO is at DEFCON 2 by the time he approaches the vehicle. Margin for error for the motorist gets really small.

[clintonhater]

It beats the hell out of leaning over to reach in the glove box and having the cop spot it. That's when things get ugly.

As in"bang," you're dead. But why would you be reaching anywhere if the pistol was out of sight? If it's laying out in plain view (why--road hunting?), then of course you have to say something--quick!

Recently watched a driver pulled over for some minor infraction on Alaska State Troopers show, who told cop he had a handgun, so instead of either a ticket or a lecture, he had to get out of car & wait for cop to check ser. no. A totally unnecessary aggravation, even if didn't result in a shooting. So I still believe, assuming you're not smoking a joint when stopped, obviously drunk, or doing anything else that would constitute probable cause for a search of your vehicle, keeping your yap shut is a wise precaution against an unpredictable outcome.

[Dolt]

It carries weight when the votes are counted. It's that simple. The police protect and serve the public. It's that simple. IF the public looses confidence in the police, then the police are in extremely serious trouble. They simply cannot protect and serve the public w/o the support and confidence of the public they protect and serve. It has nothing at all to do with a combat operation. The police are civilians, the same as any other citizen. Only the military is the military. The police do not operate beyond civilian control. If the civil public has no confidence in the police, then the officers might as well turn in their badges and seek employment elsewhere. Because when it comes to how the police are viewed, supported, etc., the only opinion that counts is that of the public they protect and serve.

Now that is what I call an excellent, well reasoned opinion in response to my post. And you are correct in your assessment of the situation. Thanks for being reasonable and not just resorting to name calling.