That's UnAmerican

[Dan Shapiro]

does that mean that just because a Cuban makes land he's legal you're OK with that ?

No. Odd you should bring up Barack the Magnificent. Still waiting for his Auntie to be deported. As was the judgment of the Immigration Court, years ago.

[Sandpebble]

does that mean that just because a Cuban makes land he's legal you're OK with that ?

No. Odd you should bring up Barack the Magnificent. Still waiting for his Auntie to be deported. As was the judgment of the Immigration Court, years ago.

Don't like that ? .....then why are you OK with Melania trump lying and breaking the law to obtain her entry visa ??

[S.A. Boggs]

Absolutely not objectionable to seal that border Dan.... that is the point the point I've tried to make all along. ... Stopping an illegal entry is good ... deporting an illegal entry is good ....

.... but kicking back and waiting until someone has been here 20+ and grown a family before we find his prescence objectionable is just plain Un Christain and Un American in my eyes...

Kind of funny..... Obama ended the dry foot deal with the Cubans ..... not one person here said that was good... not one. Because a Democrat did that .. is that why?

And now trump wants to rescind eveything Obama has put out there... does that mean the Cuban dry foot thing too ?

does that mean that just because a Cuban makes land he's legal you're OK with that ?

Yes, you are right it is Un-American just as I said...Look around more Un-Americans arrive every day over our Southern porous border. The more you say, the less there is to your statement. You are exactly what Barry wanted and you must be applauded for achieving his goal.
Sam

[togor]

It is true that Melania was outside the law.

Sam the problem I have with your analogy is that your house is your private property. Of course you'd object to intruders. But the man down the street, his property is his. You are arguing that he can't host people there? He has rights too, yes? How are those people harming you by simply being there? Perhaps they pay taxes that actually provide you a bet benefit. So are you prepared to expound here on the challenging subject of where individual and collective rights mesh in our society? Because that is one giant can of worms.

[blackhawknj]

If the man down the street wants to house, feed, clothe-TOTALLY support- an undocumented family at HIS expense-now THAT'S American !

[leftyo]

If the man down the street wants to house, feed, clothe-TOTALLY support- an undocumented family at HIS expense-now THAT'S American !

no, in America the man down the street wants you to house, feed, and pay for illegal aliens. you best believe he dang well doesnt care what you think about it either.

[S.A. Boggs]

It is true that Melania was outside the law.

Sam the problem I have with your analogy is that your house is your private property. Of course you'd object to intruders. But the man down the street, his property is his. You are arguing that he can't host people there? He has rights too, yes? How are those people harming you by simply being there? Perhaps they pay taxes that actually provide you a bet benefit. So are you prepared to expound here on the challenging subject of where individual and collective rights mesh in our society? Because that is one giant can of worms.

Togor you can never see the forest for the trees, so I will explain a little for you. The "house" is MY COUNTRY, the "rooms" are the AO that the "illegal alien" is occupying along with ANY THING ELSE materialistic that "they" acquire. Since "they" are here illegal whatever they do is illegal. How can "they" acquire a job or pay taxes or anything else that requires ID except by fraud...another crime. "They" are not citizens so how can "they" have any legal standings since day one "they" have been illegal. Regardless of how "they" have been here there is no statue of limitation on their crime of illegal entry so deportation is the main objective. By granting amnesty will this problem be solved? Back in 1986 2 million were granted amnesty to solve the problem and here 32 years later the problem has grown to 11+million and still more are coming. I want the immigration laws of MY COUNTRY enforced as written, not as Barry XO! Togor, you are probably a whiz in your field but in understanding some basic concepts that are expounded you are showing a large degree of obtuse.
Sam

[S.A. Boggs]

married one ... what ya got to say now ?

and if I may point out the discussion isn't about welcoming people over the border.... its about recognising the fact that we never made a serious effort to get them out for 20+ years. Beleive it or not so far even Obama has deported more than Trump...

You married an illegal, is this what you are stating?
Sam

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Absolutely not objectionable to seal that border Dan.... that is the point the point I've tried to make all along. ... Stopping an illegal entry is good ... deporting an illegal entry is good ....

.... but kicking back and waiting until someone has been here 20+ and grown a family before we find his prescence objectionable is just plain Un Christain and Un American in my eyes...

Kind of funny..... Obama ended the dry foot deal with the Cubans ..... not one person here said that was good... not one. Because a Democrat did that .. is that why?

And now trump wants to rescind eveything Obama has put out there... does that mean the Cuban dry foot thing too ?

does that mean that just because a Cuban makes land he's legal you're OK with that ?

President Trump isn't trying to rescind, HE IS RECINDING! I believe this is what is putting a burr under your saddle, hard to ride while the horse is bucking!
Sam

[togor]

Thanks for the explanation but the analogy has limits. One obvious one is that this country was founded on immigrants. You could paint an entirely different picture if you wanted, that as you went from room to room in an unfinished house you found people wiring outlets, sweating pipes and putting up sheet rock, making the place better. Your analogy is a subjective take on a subject vastly more complex.

I get the problem with unrestricted immigration. I just disagree with the racial/ethnic bias that some people let slip as being part of the solution.

[S.A. Boggs]

married one ... what ya got to say now ?

and if I may point out the discussion isn't about welcoming people over the border.... its about recognising the fact that we never made a serious effort to get them out for 20+ years. Beleive it or not so far even Obama has deported more than Trump...

Yes, Barry did deport more but he was there 8 years. President Trump has only been in office 1 year and has done a great deal of good, especially for my family. Just out of curiosity how close do you check those you hire for your company?
Sam

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Thanks for the explanation but the analogy has limits. One obvious one is that this country was founded on immigrants. You could paint an entirely different picture if you wanted, that as you went from room to room in an unfinished house you found people wiring outlets, sweating pipes and putting up sheet rock, making the place better. Your analogy is a subjective take on a subject vastly more complex.

I get the problem with unrestricted immigration. I just disagree with the racial/ethnic bias that some people let slip as being part of the solution.

The solution is FOLLOW THE LAW! As I learned at the academy of the people that I would be dealing with. IF YOU DO THE CRIME YOU DO THE TIME!
Sam

[dryheat]

If the man down the street wants to house, feed, clothe-TOTALLY support- an undocumented family at HIS expense-now THAT'S American !

Isn't that illegal too?

[Sandpebble]

[QUOTE=S.A. Boggs;518569]You married an illegal, is this what you are stating?
Sam

here's a true story I posted to someone blog years ago... but before you read it .... tell me.... why do you accept melania trump who lied her way into a visa ....hmmm?

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Achiles Bonaparte …… American as Apple Pie

The wife and I have somewhat cliche stories to tell though I don’t know how to say that word in Spanish. Neither does she know the word cliche in English but I’ll use it here in description of the very classic immigrant stories we have to tell. As a young boy I arrived by ship to end the voyage passing the Statue of Liberty before setting foot upon that New York City dock just as millions had done before me. The wife also arrived in the United States by vessel. Unable to swim she crossed the Rio Grande on a tire tube to set foot on that river bank in Texas as millions had done before her.

The differences between the wife and I are many and seemingly endless but we live a life which would appear to be the mantra of of the Corporate World which rules over the “big box” where I work….. “Diversity and Inclusion.” After twenty four years this is obviously something we believe in though we have learned that with out sincerity it has little chance. It must be backed by no extraneous motivation and face both directions…. or it must fail.

Looking at the map of Italy my boss of years ago, Achiles Bonaparte, came from the heel of the boot while his business partner Tony Tammaro hailed from a more refined Milan. They were Italian through and through and held great pride of that fact. They built a crew of masons to construct schools in northern Massachusetts and I’m very proud to say I was one of those men. We were the epitome of the American melting pot full of Italian born, American born, French Canadian with even Dominica and Israel represented. The differences between us were many and seemingly endless and together we spent our days in the sun chasing that American Dream.

One morning as we sat together sharing our coffee break and telling stories the local Mayor and other dignitaries arrived to take note of how many “foreign” New Hampshire licence plates were parked in that construction site parking lot in Massachusetts.

“We feel you should be hiring more local help if you are going to be doing work in this area.”…. is what the Mayor informed Achiles and continued on with……..

“We notice quite a few out of state New Hampshire licence plates here.” …… and Achiles response was swift and with no waver…….

“I’ma wanna you looka something you sonummabitch…….I’ma wanna you taka looka my crew….. local help ?… I’ma hire Americans you prick and thatsa good enough !”

And right there, right then , Achiles made us all feel exactly that… .diverse, inclusive, American…….and proud. And so Achiles, from one American to another…..

thank you

[Dick Hosmer]

Thanks for the explanation but the analogy has limits. One obvious one is that this country was founded on immigrants. You could paint an entirely different picture if you wanted, that as you went from room to room in an unfinished house you found people wiring outlets, sweating pipes and putting up sheet rock, making the place better. Your analogy is a subjective take on a subject vastly more complex.

I get the problem with unrestricted immigration. I just disagree with the racial/ethnic bias that some people let slip as being part of the solution.

And I disagree with your apparent premise that everything in life has to be viewed through the race/ethnicity paradigm!!! What we don't need is more people who will become a burden on our system or a threat to our existence, period. It so happens (and incredibly conveniently so for the libs) that many of the people that fit the above description are darker-skinned and/or adhere to a culture that is inconsistent with our own. Could this be a coincidence - nahhh - that would require too much thought, and the finding of a REAL solution, has to be the fact that all non-liberals are just racists. See, label applied, problem solved. Sorta like their attitude on gun control.

[dryheat]

Great story Sandpebble. But I'm going to highlight a sentence.


-“I’ma wanna you looka something you sonummabitch…….I’ma wanna you taka looka my crew….. local help ?… I’ma hire Americans you prick and thatsa good enough !"-

But I agree, the builders and developers here in AZ don't care as long the hammers keep swinging. There were so many recent arrived Mexicans here that when the crash came that dozens of elementary schools closed when whole families went back to Mexico. These are the same people who brought us the Great Recession. Liar loans, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac. My faith in the system has been rocked. But, I still can't throw up my hands and say, nothing can be done. If some "nice" people get caught up too, well that's the breaks.

[leftyo]

on the other side of the coin, if you marry an illegal, you should be charged with aiding and abbetting a criminal.