That's UnAmerican

[p246]

Absolutely not objectionable to seal that border Dan.... that is the point the point I've tried to make all along. ... Stopping an illegal entry is good ... deporting an illegal entry is good ....

.... but kicking back and waiting until someone has been here 20+ and grown a family before we find his prescence objectionable is just plain Un Christain and Un American in my eyes...

Kind of funny..... Obama ended the dry foot deal with the Cubans ..... not one person here said that was good... not one. Because a Democrat did that .. is that why?

And now trump wants to rescind eveything Obama has put out there... does that mean the Cuban dry foot thing too ?

does that mean that just because a Cuban makes land he's legal you're OK with that ?

So for twenty years he/she could not become a citizen. If not they did not care to become one, they refused to assimilate, or their criminal background prevented them from becoming legal. There are immigration attorney ready to help if one can be helped, or wants it.

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Thanks for the explanation but the analogy has limits. One obvious one is that this country was founded on immigrants. You could paint an entirely different picture if you wanted, that as you went from room to room in an unfinished house you found people wiring outlets, sweating pipes and putting up sheet rock, making the place better. Your analogy is a subjective take on a subject vastly more complex.

I get the problem with unrestricted immigration. I just disagree with the racial/ethnic bias that some people let slip as being part of the solution.

Once government was set up it was founded on legal immigration, not illegal immigration.

[S.A. Boggs]

So for twenty years he/she could not become a citizen. If not they did not care to become one, they refused to assimilate, or their criminal background prevented them from becoming legal. There are immigration attorney ready to help if one can be helped, or wants it.

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Once government was set up it was founded on legal immigration, not illegal immigration.

An illegal act is an illegal act unless pardoned or completion of sentence. To steal into a house is a felony that if found by the owner is LEGALLY punishable by death here in Ohio. Many Progressive district attorney's disagree with that and would like to punish the home owner. Problem is the LAW as written favors the HOME OWNER. As a CITIZEN the United States is MY HOME and I WANT THE LAW ENFORCED! Laws are written for a reason, some are good some are bad. It is up to the Supreme Court to decide the final verdict of any law. Sanctuary is not written into our Constitution, the building block of ALL AMERICAN LAWS. Mayors, Governors must enforce federal laws as it is written. Reason is they want the Bill of Rights which is part of the Constitution. The Constitution is a FEDERAL LAW which "they" want, so too must immigration laws. Law is a funny thing, an all or none situation. By refusing to enforce Federal Immigration Laws is a violation of the Constitution and arrest able. Can you imagine Jerry Brown being arrested by Marshals, booked into Federal Custody, having to go before a Federal Judge to post bond and then go to trial with the possibility of Federal Time? I can see the 9th Circuit throwing the charges out and then fast tracked to the Supreme Court. This is going to get real interesting real quick. Being prosecuted for failure to enforce THE LAW, what a novel American idea!
Sam

[togor]

So let's talk numbers. What quota of for example Mexicans moving here legally in 2018 would people find personally acceptable? What about Germans? Chinese? Slovenians? Nigerians?

[togor]

P246:

You better than anyone else here understand that the law and human behavior have an imperfect relationship. People have been migrating forever, and in the days of the founding of this country, the barrier to arrival was logistical, not legal. People try to move.

[S.A. Boggs]

So let's talk numbers. What quota of for example Mexicans moving here legally in 2018 would people find personally acceptable? What about Germans? Chinese? Slovenians? Nigerians?

Togor, you hit the nail on the head! The objection is to ILLEGAL, no problem with LEGAL. The only objection on LEGAL is if "they" are here to do us harm.
Sam

[Clark Howard]

Please don't feed our dem trolls. They love to spout, and, you cannot persuade them. Regards, Clark

[Dick Hosmer]

An illegal act is an illegal act unless pardoned or completion of sentence. To steal into a house is a felony that if found by the owner is LEGALLY punishable by death here in Ohio. Many Progressive district attorney's disagree with that and would like to punish the home owner. Problem is the LAW as written favors the HOME OWNER. As a CITIZEN the United States is MY HOME and I WANT THE LAW ENFORCED! Laws are written for a reason, some are good some are bad. It is up to the Supreme Court to decide the final verdict of any law. Sanctuary is not written into our Constitution, the building block of ALL AMERICAN LAWS. Mayors, Governors must enforce federal laws as it is written. Reason is they want the Bill of Rights which is part of the Constitution. The Constitution is a FEDERAL LAW which "they" want, so too must immigration laws. Law is a funny thing, an all or none situation. By refusing to enforce Federal Immigration Laws is a violation of the Constitution and arrest able. Can you imagine Jerry Brown being arrested by Marshals, booked into Federal Custody, having to go before a Federal Judge to post bond and then go to trial with the possibility of Federal Time? I can see the 9th Circuit throwing the charges out and then fast tracked to the Supreme Court. This is going to get real interesting real quick. Being prosecuted for failure to enforce THE LAW, what a novel American idea!
Sam

One of the most clearly expressed statements on the "situation" that I have ever read, and one with which I wholeheartedly agree.

[Mark in Ottawa]

A sort of similar story

What a morning...
8:00 I made a snowman.
8:10 A feminist passed by and asked me why I didn’t make a snow woman.
8:15 I made a snow woman.
8:17 The nanny of the neighbours complained about the snow woman's voluptuous chest.
8:20 The gay couple living nearby grumbled that it could have been two snowmen instead.
8:25 The vegans at No. 12 complained about the carrot nose, as veggies are food and not to decorate snow figures with.
8:28 I am being called a racist because the snow couple is white.
8:31 The Muslim gent across the road wants the snow woman to wear a headscarf.
8:40 Someone calls the cops who show up to see what’s going on.
8:42 I am told that the broomstick of the snowman needs to be removed because it could be used as a deadly weapon. Things get worse after I mutter : "Yeah, if it's up your a***"
8:52 My phone is seized and thoroughly checked while I am blindfolded and flown to the police station in a helicopter.
9:00 I'm on the news as a suspected terrorist bent on stirring up trouble at this sensitive time.
9:10 I am asked if I have any accomplices.
9:29 ISIS just claimed responsibility...

[togor]

Togor, you hit the nail on the head! The objection is to ILLEGAL, no problem with LEGAL. The only objection on LEGAL is if "they" are here to do us harm.
Sam

Numbers would help. Everyone, including me, agrees that unmanaged borders are a terrible idea, and excessive sentimentality about people illegally here is not in our best long term interests. At the same time, has America already become a hellhole due to unrestricted migration? My sense is...no, not yet. Others apparently disagree on that.

Climate change is real, and is going to create a lot of external migratory pressure in the lower latitudes, at the same time that dislocation costs are felt everywhere, even in the north. We have to be smart about how we handle it, and being smart does not mean trying to hermetically seal the country behind two oceans and a wall to the south. (Makes me wonder if things get bad enough, if the Canucks will decide that they need to protect their southern border.)

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Please don't feed our dem trolls. They love to spout, and, you cannot persuade them. Regards, Clark

Still waiting for you to start a 2A thread, Clark. Tick tock.

[S.A. Boggs]

Hillbilly climate change...
Throwing another log in the stove while my coffee is perking.
Mamma putting another home made quilt on the bed.
Wolf growling for Mamma to cover her with a quilt.
Pancakes from scratch with real butter and maple syrup!
Going to have to start the Stihl for more firewood.
Two pair of socks on inside insulated boots.
Thinsulate everything that I wear.
Getting an extra cup of joe and doughnut before Sunday School.
Sam

[leftyo]

Numbers would help. Everyone, including me, agrees that unmanaged borders are a terrible idea, and excessive sentimentality about people illegally here is not in our best long term interests. At the same time, has America already become a hellhole due to unrestricted migration? My sense is...no, not yet. Others apparently disagree on that.

Climate change is real, and is going to create a lot of external migratory pressure in the lower latitudes, at the same time that dislocation costs are felt everywhere, even in the north. We have to be smart about how we handle it, and being smart does not mean trying to hermetically seal the country behind two oceans and a wall to the south. (Makes me wonder if things get bad enough, if the Canucks will decide that they need to protect their southern border.)

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Still waiting for you to start a 2A thread, Clark. Tick tock.

we havent become a hellhole yet, so do you want to wait until we do become a xxxxhole like everwhere else, or do we start to deal with the problem.

[Sandpebble]

OK ... since abiding by the law seems to be what is a really important part of the immigration debate ..... and our "country was founded on law "..... let me add one of my own childish anaolgies into the fray....

The Democrats take over... like 8 yrs ago... and suddenly it becomes against the law to possess a firearm ..... like we thought would happen 8 yrs ago .... and 16 years ago...

Even though we're all terrified of life with out a Home Defense Shotgun , or our carry with ankle backup .... we follow the law.... law is law.... right ?

Not one of us steps up and tells the confiscation stormtroopers that "someone stole my guns last night" when we had actually burried them out behind the shed right?.... because we feel so strongly about.... the law of the land .......or is there laws we agree with and laws we don't like .... ?

So what is it, all you absolute law abiders,..... " From my Cold Dead Hands "...... or law is the law ..... I guess I'm with ya.... there are laws I don't like either

Sorry to bring guns into the discussion .... lets all genuflect when we hear the word guns.... but its just an analogy .....

[leftyo]

its the law, and the law is founded in the constitution which gives us the right to own guns, so your argument has nothing behind it.

[S.A. Boggs]

OK ... since abiding by the law seems to be what is a really important part of the immigration debate ..... and our "country was founded on law "..... let me add one of my own childish anaolgies into the fray....

The Democrats take over... like 8 yrs ago... and suddenly it becomes against the law to possess a firearm ..... like we thought would happen 8 yrs ago .... and 16 years ago...

Even though we're all terrified of life with out a Home Defense Shotgun , or our carry with ankle backup .... we follow the law.... law is law.... right ?

Not one of us steps up and tells the confiscation stormtroopers that "someone stole my guns last night" when we had actually burried them out behind the shed right?.... because we feel so strongly about.... the law of the land .......or is there laws we agree with and laws we don't like .... ?

So what is it, all you absolute law abiders,..... " From my Cold Dead Hands "...... or law is the law ..... I guess I'm with ya.... there are laws I don't like either

Sorry to bring guns into the discussion .... lets all genuflect when we hear the word guns.... but its just an analogy .....

2nd
2nd Amendment and Holy Scripture.
Sam

[togor]

Ducking Sandpebble's question, y'all. Try it this way: AR type actions are classified as NFA firearms, 18 month transition period to get a tax stamp or surrender. Who here has the balls to say they would bury some "just in case"? Myself I wouldn't like giving my fingerprints to the government but I would do it. And in return I'd expect them to throw the book at anyone who didn't follow the law.

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we havent become a hellhole yet, so do you want to wait until we do become a xxxxhole like everwhere else, or do we start to deal with the problem.

See? You don't even read my post all the way before writing a reply. I say immigration has to get fixed and I say why. You waste my time.