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The voters who elected Trump want a wall. He has clearly told the house and senate what is required for him to sign a bill. Lets see the Democrats response.To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC Policy -
It's been all over the evening news. Good God, WHY would he roll this out when not even the Dems or the immigration radicals were asking for it? Now, however, instead of being some potential bargaining chip in future negotiations, it will be the new "least price" they'll accept. And Trump was supposed to be the expert deal-maker???Comment
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Sadly, being clear about anything is not his style. Whatever he says today, be prepared to hear something different tomorrow. Maybe he could have made the 700,000 "dreamers" (I hate that word!) the price of the wall, but now the minimum price is going to be over twice that number of illegals.Comment
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He may be too preoccupied to worry about a wall the next couple weeks.
Wait a second, why are WE paying for it?Last edited by Roadkingtrax; 01-25-2018, 09:11."The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. UllmanComment
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Do the voters want a wall or control of the border? Not the same thing.
As for the DACA people, I still say they're screwed. I have my "rally" test which says that Trump will never sign anything in office that will cause him to get heckled by the faithful at a rally.Comment
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Because WE, not Mexico, will be the beneficiaries of it.
The first down-payment on it could be the FIVE BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR in medical aid we're sending to Africa to fight AIDS--so that Africans, instead of dying, can continue breeding like rats--so that we can then send more taxpayer money for famine relief.
By the way, who started this giveaway program, called PEPFAR? Obama? GEORGE BUSH!Comment
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On the recent budget government shutdown Trump had presented that the 700,000 DACA illegals could stay it the dems sided with him on $ for the wall. He knew they wouldn't buy into it. The end result was the dems took the heat for there being no protection for the DACA's.
This move now has increased to 1.8M DACA's and Trumps plan is about the same with provisions for extra border patrol and security for the Northern border. I feel He knows the dems will not buy into this either. The dems are not going to give up voters. The end result will be the dems get the heat again. Trump can always say that he "tried" to help the illegals but the dems would not hear of it.
As pissed as the supporters of Trump and America are I feel Trump still has a plan and his views haven't changed.Comment
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I feel eventually Mexico WILL pay for the wall through NAFTA adjustments. It's too much money and upkeep not to mention the border patrol agents and equipment to just hang it all on the U.S. taxpayers. With the treat of ending NAFTA and putting tariffs on Mexican imports what else could Mexico do but agree? I think it is enough that we are putting it on our property and not Mexico.
As far as foreign aid I think it all should be cut off. The only exceptions might be in cases where countries are actually trying to better themselves.
I remember as a kid watching all the Sunday morning "doom and gloom" programs about starving Africa, Kenya, El Salvador, Haiti and countless other s**thole countries. As a kid even I thought it's not doing any good to send them aid if they are going to continue to have as many kids as possible. They could be millionaire's and not be able to afford to feed the small army's they are producing. With aid there should be required education and responsibility as well. This was 60 years ago and not only have things not changed, they have, of course, gotten worse.
Immagine what we could have done with all that money over all those years for our own people.Comment
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No, not the same thing, but part of it, at least, in certain places along the border, and it's actually cheaper than hiring the number of Border Patrol agents required to do the same thing--assuming it were possible to hire & train that many (who have to be bi-lingual), which it isn't.Comment
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Nobody besides Sid wants to talk about Trump giving a path to citizenship for illegals? Wall is a safer subject, I'll grant you that.Comment
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I've seen ariale photos of portions of the present wall. On our side the ground is cleared for a long ways away. On the other side are house built right up against the wall. Put a ladder on a house and jump down to our side.Comment
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1.8 million with their immediate families, were it to come to pass, would be a bigger amnesty than Reagan's which legalized 2.7 million. So it's worse than it looks on the surface.
When the Reagan amnesty passed in 1986 it was with the understanding that the border would be secured and that there would never be another amnesty. Anyone with any knowledge of the subject and an I.Q. bigger than his hat size new that was a pipe dream. Once the precedent had been broken a future amnesty became almost a certainty, especially since neither the Congress or the Reagan administration, were really interested in doing what it would take to solve the illegal entry problem.
Interestingly, since Reagan, beginning at the end of the Clinton administration, and accelerating through the G.W. Bush administration, a lot has been done to improve enforcement. When I went to work for the old INS in 1972 the total strength of the Border Patrol was 2,700. In addition there were about 1,000 interior enforcement agents. Now that was truly a joke and showed the welcome mat was truly out for illegals both border crossers and visa overstays. Today the Border Patrol alone has over 25,000 agents and there is talk of adding 10,000 more. That will be the equivalent of two infantry divisions on the border. Simply stating that the law was going to be enforced has dramatically reduced illegal border crossings in the last year.
The wall - anyone who truly believe there was going to be some sort of great wall of the southwest border (which I always thought was Trump hyperbole) is deluding themselves. If Pres. Trump were to improve the present 600 odd miles of barrier and add another 300 I bet he'd call it good. One thing I remember thinking when "The Donald" was talking about a wall in the campaign was; do we really want to donate the Rio Grande and the Falcon and Amistad reservoirs to Mexico? That was one of the simpler problems.
I am disappointed by Pres. Trumps amnesty proposals, however the Dems are so reluctant to give Trump a victory on anything that I suspect the whole thing will die early anyhow.Last edited by Art; 01-26-2018, 10:30.Comment
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