I’m sick and tired of the Mueller farce.

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  • RED
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 11689

    #16
    “Is the President above the law?”

    What a moronic question. Of course not. The law is laid out in something we Americans simply call “the Constitutoon.” A document you seem to hold in complete contempt.

    Agitate, agitate, agitate... hate and burn, twist and lie.
    Last edited by RED; 01-27-2018, 01:21.

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    • 1563621
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 1103

      #17
      Originally posted by togor
      Red since you are an expert in Constitutional law, let me ask you:

      Is the POTUS above the law? What about his staff?
      Obviously we know obama was above the law!

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #18
        Originally posted by 1563621
        Obviously we know obama was above the law!
        If it's obvious then it should be easy to explain, with a contrast/compare to Trump behavior in the same area.

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        • togor
          Banned
          • Nov 2009
          • 17610

          #19
          Originally posted by RED
          “Is the President above the law?”

          What a moronic question. Of course not.
          You're not being honest with your answer. Or put another way: GOTCHA!!!!!!

          In your OP you wrote:

          Trump can absolutely and legally fire any member of his Administration... including the DOJ.
          The definition of absolute:
          adjective
          adjective: absolute

          1. not qualified or diminished in any way; total.

          2. viewed or existing independently and not in relation to other things; not relative or comparative.
          You therefore assert that Trump has total undiminished power over any law enforcement actions by the DOJ, including investigations into his own affairs or his own staff. Consensus reading of the Constitution holds that the House acts as the Grand Jury with power to indict, and the Senate acts as Trial Jury with power to convict, with the Supreme Court acting as presiding judge. (Ken Starr however held a legal memo wherein he argued why he could indict Bill Clinton, so there is debate on even that point). Investigative power falls between Congress and professional law enforcement, which operates in the Executive Branch. Because of this arrangement, we as a country have set our antennae to high gain to look for any sign that the president is tampering with the workings of justice. If Trump can fire ad infinitum any DOJ staffers who show even the slightest hint of getting on the trail of some illegality that Trump wants kept hidden, then yes, Trump has placed himself above the law.

          As for agitation--haven't you figured it out by now? To be a Trumpist is to know suffering. The man will have his enemies, his grievances, until he breaths his last. To make communion with him as you have done is to live this with him. Trump wreaks more agitation in a weekend on Twitter than I could do in a thousand lifetimes here. Aim your frustrations where they belong, at the guy who is using his BFM on you.

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          • RED
            Very Senior Member - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 11689

            #20
            My posts were 100 % correct. Mueller cannot prosecute a sitting President for ANYTHING. That does not mean the president is above the law. You don’t believe in the law, the Constitution, or the concept of justice for all.

            By don’t you move to Venezuela where they practice what you preach?

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            • Allen
              Moderator
              • Sep 2009
              • 10583

              #21
              Originally posted by 1563621
              Obviously we know obama was above the law!
              One thing that obama taught us was that our laws, constitution, Bill of Rights and freedoms don't mean a damn thing.

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              • togor
                Banned
                • Nov 2009
                • 17610

                #22
                Originally posted by RED
                My posts were 100 % correct. Mueller cannot prosecute a sitting President for ANYTHING. That does not mean the president is above the law. You don’t believe in the law, the Constitution, or the concept of justice for all.

                By don’t you move to Venezuela where they practice what you preach?
                I stand by my belief that for you Trump is above the law. It doesn't matter what Mueller eventually reports; Trump's assertions will be the ones with which you agree, however outlandish they be.

                As for Venezuela, you have it backwards. Populism is what turned that country into a sh*thole, and around here, you're the common-man populist and I'm the educated elitist, remember? So Venezuela is your destination of choice, not mine.

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                • RED
                  Very Senior Member - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 11689

                  #23
                  If the sitting President were to shoot and kill Hillary, Rosie, and Kim Kardashedin, on national TV, no Federal prosecutor could, Prosecute him and no FBI or U.S. Marshal could arrest him. That is the law.

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                  • Sandpebble
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2017
                    • 2196

                    #24
                    Originally posted by RED
                    If the sitting President were to shoot and kill Hillary, Rosie, and Kim Kardashedin, on national TV, no Federal prosecutor could, Prosecute him and no FBI or U.S. Marshal could arrest him. That is the law.
                    don't make it right right dude

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                    • S.A. Boggs
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 8568

                      #25
                      Originally posted by RED
                      If the sitting President were to shoot and kill Hillary, Rosie, and Kim Kardashedin, on national TV, no Federal prosecutor could, Prosecute him and no FBI or U.S. Marshal could arrest him. That is the law.
                      Do you think more could be added to that Red...just thinking.
                      Sam

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                      • RED
                        Very Senior Member - OFC
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 11689

                        #26
                        Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
                        Do you think more could be added to that Red...just thinking.
                        Sam
                        The point is the Constitution grants a lot of power to the President. As long as Trump is President, Mueller cannot touch him. Only the House can indict him and the Senate is the jury. Everything Mueller is doing is simply a hit job hoping to overthrow the Government he has sworn to uphold. Liars, and haters have entrenched themselves in our country to the point that merely buying a ticket to a NFL game or even watching one on TV is a signal that you are supporting the anti-American kneelers... makes one think that perhaps by merely participating here, one is supporting our equivalent... the Three Stooges + Shemp.

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                        • Roadkingtrax
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 7835

                          #27
                          If the obstruction fits.
                          "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                          • togor
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 17610

                            #28
                            We're back to this?

                            Deliberately misleading analogy by Red, straight from Trump's "middle of 5th Avenue" remark. But nonetheless useful for illustration.

                            Turn the cameras off and put Jr., Kushner, Manafort, Gates, Sessions, Flynn, etc. in the room with Trump when the gunshots go off, and there will be an investigation, and those other people can be charged. Murder is still murder, conspiracy is still conspiracy, whether it involves the President or not.

                            Mueller's job is to gather evidence of actions and motives. Multiple grand jury indictments and guilty pleas stemming from his investigation have long since laid the "witch hunt" canard to rest.

                            There were two campaigns to get Trump elected. One out of Moscow, one out of New York. The investigation continues.

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                            • S.A. Boggs
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 8568

                              #29
                              Originally posted by togor
                              So what did Mueller do wrong now?
                              Continuing the cause of National Socialism of which some are quite proud.
                              Sam

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                              • S.A. Boggs
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 8568

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                                If the obstruction fits.
                                Obama and Hillary used it. How about Obama protecting the former Attorney General who was in Contempt of Congress or the gun running to Mexican criminals by the BATF and an American LEO was murdered because of this. Obama protected those who did his bidding now didn't he??? Hillary just has them "suicide" themselves, doesn't she!
                                Sam

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