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  • leftyo

    #16
    we dont have to fix any policies, we just need to enforce what we already have. it doesnt do one bit of good to keep making new policies or laws, if we dont enforce them.

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    • S.A. Boggs
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 8568

      #17
      Originally posted by leftyo
      we dont have to fix any policies, we just need to enforce what we already have. it doesnt do one bit of good to keep making new policies or laws, if we dont enforce them.
      Wrong!!! These illegals are future NSAWP voters who will be able to bring in more of their relatives to become new voters. Heck, in California if you have a drivers license you can vote...instant citizen. It makes too much sense to enforce the laws, just enact more laws that won't be enforced either. The National Socialists on this board realize this and are trying to convince other's that this is not the case. After this will come "undocumented mobile pharmacies" that are a benefit to their community, give people fantastic paying jobs, don't require much education and provide pain relief. Just the type of people that the NSAWP voters want! Of course the NSAWP will tell you this is not the case, but their actions prove otherwise. Remember the old Democratic Party said to follow them, enact the legislation and out problem is solved. Isn't this what the NSAWP is saying? Togor will "splain" it to us if we "ax" him.
      Sam

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      • Roadkingtrax
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2010
        • 7835

        #18
        Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
        Or NATIONAL SOCIALISM sanctions for illegal aliens.
        Sam
        He will not enforce laws he's even signed. Who cares about what's come before or after.
        "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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        • leftyo

          #19
          Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
          Wrong!!! These illegals are future NSAWP voters who will be able to bring in more of their relatives to become new voters. Heck, in California if you have a drivers license you can vote...instant citizen. It makes too much sense to enforce the laws, just enact more laws that won't be enforced either. The National Socialists on this board realize this and are trying to convince other's that this is not the case. After this will come "undocumented mobile pharmacies" that are a benefit to their community, give people fantastic paying jobs, don't require much education and provide pain relief. Just the type of people that the NSAWP voters want! Of course the NSAWP will tell you this is not the case, but their actions prove otherwise. Remember the old Democratic Party said to follow them, enact the legislation and out problem is solved. Isn't this what the NSAWP is saying? Togor will "splain" it to us if we "ax" him.
          Sam
          im sure he will , but im not interested in bs reasons why we need to add more illegals to the democrat voting rolls. just enforce the existing laws and policies, and the whole mess stops.

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          • m1ashooter
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 3220

            #20
            As will most things many tend to let their feelings get in the way of facts. We have laws for reasons but ,many administrations have not enforced our immigration laws very well hence the situation we have today. Then there are those who broke the laws of our nation by coming here in the first place with out the proper documentation.

            I've got two wonderful young ladies that work with me. One is a US citizen whose dad is here illegally and the other from a country in Central America whose parents brought her here illegally. In both of their minds ie., feelings they believe that their parents should be able to stay. One says her dad has been paying taxs for 20 years and should be able to stay. I asked her why he hasn't gone through the effort to get his paperwork in order and her answer was its too expensive and he got in trouble as a youth with Drugs and can't qualify. So I'll just stay is the attitude. The other young lady is working the process but it takes years. As to why her dad doesn't go through his process well he skipped a deportation hearing many years ago.

            Everybody has a story but lets facts not feelings drive the discussion. Can we deport millions of people to countries that can't support them? Very doubtful, but can we secure our border and enforce the laws that are on the books. Yes we can.
            To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC Policy

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            • Allen
              Moderator
              • Sep 2009
              • 10583

              #21
              Originally posted by m1ashooter
              Can we deport millions of people to countries that can't support them?
              I have no problem with that. These countries are the ones who generated the problem to start with. People with no more responsibility than to overpopulate their borders then flood into a civilized nation do not belong here. If you can't feed them, don't breed them.

              Our rights, freedoms and independence was bought with tremendous sacrifices, money and bloodshed. It shouldn't be free for the taking.

              Countries that can not support their people need to do something about it-----not us.

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              • leftyo

                #22
                Originally posted by Allen
                I have no problem with that. These countries are the ones who generated the problem to start with. People with no more responsibility than to overpopulate their borders then flood into a civilized nation do not belong here. If you can't feed them, don't breed them.

                Our rights, freedoms and independence was bought with tremendous sacrifices, money and bloodshed. It shouldn't be free for the taking.

                Countries that can not support their people need to do something about it-----not us.
                well said!

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                • Roadkingtrax
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 7835

                  #23
                  Originally posted by m1ashooter
                  As will most things many tend to let their feelings get in the way of facts. We have laws for reasons but ,many administrations have not enforced our immigration laws very well hence the situation we have today. Then there are those who broke the laws of our nation by coming here in the first place with out the proper documentation.

                  I've got two wonderful young ladies that work with me. One is a US citizen whose dad is here illegally and the other from a country in Central America whose parents brought her here illegally. In both of their minds ie., feelings they believe that their parents should be able to stay. One says her dad has been paying taxs for 20 years and should be able to stay. I asked her why he hasn't gone through the effort to get his paperwork in order and her answer was its too expensive and he got in trouble as a youth with Drugs and can't qualify. So I'll just stay is the attitude. The other young lady is working the process but it takes years. As to why her dad doesn't go through his process well he skipped a deportation hearing many years ago.

                  Everybody has a story but lets facts not feelings drive the discussion. Can we deport millions of people to countries that can't support them? Very doubtful, but can we secure our border and enforce the laws that are on the books. Yes we can.
                  Well said!
                  "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                  • Sandpebble
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2017
                    • 2196

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Allen
                    I have no problem with that. These countries are the ones who generated the problem to start with. People with no more responsibility than to overpopulate their borders then flood into a civilized nation do not belong here. If you can't feed them, don't breed them.

                    Our rights, freedoms and independence was bought with tremendous sacrifices, money and bloodshed. It shouldn't be free for the taking.

                    Countries that can not support their people need to do something about it-----not us.
                    Well Allen... lets look at your sentence... "These countries are the ones who generated the problem to start with." .....

                    There are some I'm sure.... but lets look at an example close by... Cuba. Sure ... failed socialist state. A sure failure but it it didn't fail without a lot of help.

                    The largest economy in the world did all it could to cripple its economy... us.. the United States . Since 1960 we the United States have done everything in our power to cripple the economy of that country. To this day we pay didvidends {subsidaries} to billionaires in Florida so that they can sell their sugar cheaper than the Cubans. ....

                    .... so what do we get out of this?... well we get endless boat loads of Cubans attempting to come here just so's we get to show the world how bad socialism is...

                    Devils advocate here..... what if we actually didn't try to cripple them ?.... actually helped them be happy in their socialist state ?... .and they didn't want to come here because of it ?

                    As far as help to others..... since the begining of time the strong have always carried the weak.... the strong have the choice of being one or the other.... the weak do not...

                    I don't know about you... but I'll do the carrying every time... means I'm strong... and have more... know what i mean?
                    Last edited by Sandpebble; 01-30-2018, 02:18.

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                    • clintonhater
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 5220

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Sandpebble
                      lets look at an example close by... Cuba.
                      Not a good example. The initial large migration consisted mainly of the best, most successful, people in Cuba, who've proven to an asset; the do-nothings & have-nothings were delighted with the promises of communism...until they began finding out what a sham it was. Since then, they too have tried to escape, but not in numbers that compare with the hordes invading across our southern border; what has this country done to harm Mexico & the other places from which these hordes are fleeing?

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                      • leftyo

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Sandpebble
                        Well Allen... lets look at your sentence... "These countries are the ones who generated the problem to start with." .....

                        There are some I'm sure.... but lets look at an example close by... Cuba. Sure ... failed socialist state. A sure failure but it it didn't fail without a lot of help.

                        The largest economy in the world did all it could to cripple its economy... us.. the United States . Since 1960 we the United States have done everything in our power to cripple the economy of that country. To this day we pay didvidends {subsidaries} to billionaires in Florida so that they can sell their sugar cheaper than the Cubans. ....

                        .... so what do we get out of this?... well we get endless boat loads of Cubans attempting to come here just so's we get to show the world how bad socialism is...

                        Devils advocate here..... what if we actually didn't try to cripple them ?.... actually helped them be happy in their socialist state ?... .and they didn't want to come here because of it ?

                        As far as help to others..... since the begining of time the strong have always carried the weak.... the strong have the choice of being one or the other.... the weak do not...

                        I don't know about you... but I'll do the carrying every time... means I'm strong... and have more... know what i mean?
                        i think your a bit confused, the strong havent always carried the weak, they ruled them. not until this past century here in the US has a country tried to carry the rest of the world.

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                        • blackhawknj
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 3754

                          #27
                          I took a course in Property Law-taught by a lawyer-in which I learned of the doctrine of "adverse possession"-often called "squatters rights". The idea that if you take over a seemingly abandoned piece of property, make it productive, maintain it-pay taxes on it, and if the legal owner makes no effort to assert their title, you can lay claim to it. It seems that there is a doctrine of "adverse citizenship" based on this idea, that even if you came here illegally after so many years you are entitled to legal residency and citizenship by default.

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