Dreamers are toast

[clintonhater]

You forgot the part about how taxes are captured from their economic activity to support retirement payments to American seniors, who are whiter as a group than the population as a whole, and that this influx puts us in a much better demographic position than the aging and xenophobic nations of Asia.

From that tax revenue (not forgetting that those doing day-labor are usually paid in cash, so pay no tax), let's deduct the cost of child welfare payments, medical coverage, food stamps, paid to the women doing the prolific breeding. Certainly no taxes being paid by all the preggos who cross the border just in time to take a taxi ride to the nearest hospital, where all their expenses are covered by US taxpayers.

"Still wet from the river crossing," doctor said: http://www.latimes.com/nation/immigr...903-story.html

[Allen]

People w/o a SS# pay no taxes.

[m1ashooter]

Allen if you think my position is a liberal view point then so be it. I'm looking at this from a simple logistics point of view. How do we round up 200,000 from El Salvador, house them and feed them while the deportation process happens, then transport them back to El Salvador. This is just a small example of the difficulties, now multiply that by a few million and I just don't think our gov't can pull it off. I'd like to send them all home but I don't think Uncle Sam can pull it off.

[JB White]

Dreamers are toast Find me a cute one slathered in grape jam.

No one knows how to fix it and a heavy hand isn't allowed. The problem isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Just like abortion, this is going to be a political topic for decades to come.

[RED]

From that tax revenue (not forgetting that those doing day-labor are usually paid in cash, so pay no tax), let's deduct the cost of child welfare payments, medical coverage, food stamps, paid to the women doing the prolific breeding. Certainly no taxes being paid by all the preggos who cross the border just in time to take a taxi ride to the nearest hospital, where all their expenses are covered by US taxpayers.

"Still wet from the river crossing," doctor said: http://www.latimes.com/nation/immigr...903-story.html

Then add the cost of keeping tens of thousands of drug dealers, rapists, murderers, and filth in our prisons. Remember those cars in Springdale, Arkansas??? At 10:00 AM on a workday, there were at least 2+ cars at every house in a neighborhood that was 10 blocks by 20... Hundreds of houses and thousands of cars. The neighborhood I eventually bought a house in (25 miles away) had no more than 1 car per block on the same morning. Those people were at work supporting togors BFFs. If they had a second car it was in the garage. Mexicans have 3+ families living in each house and the garage is the bunk room.

The only taxes those people pay are sales taxes on the stuff they buy with the cash they don't pay income tax or SS taxes on... but their kids get welfare and they get housing subsidies. When their houses are foreclosed on, the bank doesn't even put up a "For Sale," sign. They do what is called a "short sale." Even if they do find a buyer, it takes at least 6 months to get non-payers out of the house and when they do go the place is trashed.

When they get sick and go to the ER and you and I pay for it, no need for insurance. They are ruining what is left of this country and that tickles our Stooges to no end and they giggle like girly boys and pray for more sh1thouse trash to move to YOUR neighborhood.

[clintonhater]

Allen if you think my position is a liberal view point then so be it. I'm looking at this from a simple logistics point of view. How do we round up 200,000 from El Salvador, house them and feed them while the deportation process happens, then transport them back to El Salvador...

Big problem for sure, but that's not to say impossible. And even if only a symbolic handful were sent back, the publicity would discourage others from trying the same thing.

But there's a better solution that's happening right now on a limited scale--illegals fearing deportation crossing into Canada, were they think they'll be tolerated (though it ain't necessarily so!). Near the border where I live, most of it unguarded & unfenced, there's been a great deal of local news coverage, with local American left-wingers shedding "tears of rage" that poor "refugees" are being forced by cruel US policy to leave this country. Most of the ones shown on TV aren't even Latins, they're Africans! Such a loss!

Anyway, if it really looked like ICE was getting serious about these Salvadorans and others, and their choice came down to returning to their native xxxxholes or an easy crossing to Canada, what do you think would be their choice?

[steelap]

Let's start a tax deductible charity that provides free rides, knapsacks, and basic supplies to illegal criminal aliens (aka "undocumented immigrants") to just short of the Canadian border.

Canada has said that anyone entering Canada illegally, and who is not granted asylum, will be deported to their home countries (not the US).

We could call the charity "Compassion Travel International".

"Life is Good!"

[clintonhater]

Let's start a tax deductible charity that provides free rides, knapsacks, and basic supplies to illegal criminal aliens (aka "undocumented immigrants") to just short of the Canadian border.

Not necessary--their bleeding-heart American supporters (of whom there are many!) are already doing that. Local news reports have shown them handing out winter coats, gloves, etc. to illegals crossing the border, as well as providing transportation.

But for heaven's sake keep quiet about the possibility of deportation by those warm-hearted Canadians! If the illegals hear that, they may stay here!

[steelap]

I'm talking about a bus service from New Mexico, Texas, Florida, etc. straight to the Canadian border.

Maybe we could call it "The Underground Railroad", or the "Freedom Express". Just like the other states dumping their homeless in Washington State, Oregon, and California. Those states advertise how great it is, with such great benefits.

[togor]

Funny someone uses terms from the slavery days because I'm reading a book on Lincoln & Frederick Douglas written in 2007 and I'm seeing parallels therein between the 1850s and today. The immigration thing not nearly as intense as the slavery issue, but parallels nonetheless.

[steelap]

Funny someone uses terms from the slavery days because I'm reading a book on Lincoln & Frederick Douglas written in 2007 and I'm seeing parallels therein between the 1850s and today. The immigration thing not nearly as intense as the slavery issue, but parallels nonetheless.

You are right - there are direct parallels. The Democrats are keeping the illegal criminal aliens ("undocumented immigrants") as slaves; the Republicans are trying to send them to Freedom. Just like before the Second American Revolution.

Very astute observation, togor.

PS - While we may rarely agree, I do appreciate that your don't stoop to vituperation or ad hominem attacks, at least as I can remember. Unlike some people whose names I won't mention.

[clintonhater]

Funny someone uses terms from the slavery days because I'm reading a book on Lincoln & Frederick Douglas written in 2007 and I'm seeing parallels therein between the 1850s and today.

There's a strong parallel in Douglas' choice of a wife.

[togor]

That's an interesting angle, steelap, what you said about keeping the Dreamers in an economically disadvantaged state. There are arguments in opposite directions on this so I don't know how far one can truly run with that. But I am curious to see how it all plays out. Something might actually happen this time, one way or the other.

[Sandpebble]

You are right - there are direct parallels. The Democrats are keeping the illegal criminal aliens ("undocumented immigrants") as slaves; the Republicans are trying to send them to Freedom. Just like before the Second American Revolution.

Very astute observation, togor.

PS - While we may rarely agree, I do appreciate that your don't stoop to vituperation or ad hominem attacks, at least as I can remember. Unlike some people whose names I won't mention.

Well Steeltap... you claim the Republicans are trying to send them to freedom...the nasty Dems want to hold them here as slaves.... but over the years how hard did the Republicans attempt to stop thier entry ?

... I don't think they made much of an effort at all.... not from Reagans amnesty on... thats because they sided with the real government... Corporate America... resulting of the use of native born Americans as slaves for many many years.

Now Corporate America is ready to cut a deal..... cut me billions in slack... and I'll toss the slaves a million or two... everyone makes out right?.... for now

[clintonhater]

but over the years how hard did the Republicans attempt to stop thier entry ?

What major Republican political figure was in the best position, 25 yrs ago, to understand & appreciate the full effects & consequences of the wetback invasion? Wouldn't it have been the Governor of Texas? Who can you name who was both a 2-term Gov of Texas AND a 2-term President?

Despite, once in a great while, some hypocritical BS about the need for better border control, that warmongering SOB Bush KNEW that his billionaire country-club-Republican friends & political supporters depended absolutely on a steady stream of cheap foreign labor for their factories, packing houses, ranches, etc.

But the greed of the Bush family & other Repubs can't be used to justify allowing this problem to continue.