Trust... do we really not trust the FBI ..

**Jiminvirginia** · 02-01-2018, 06:28

We need to define who we are really talking about. The average FBI agent, perhaps of high rank, is likely 100 percent trustworthy and dedicated to the job and country. Unfortunately when some people reach certain levels and get tangled in the swirl of DC politics they can make poor decisions. Not saying the POTUS is correct but he might be.

**Art** · 02-01-2018, 06:41

I worked closely with the FBI during my LEO career including two stints on a task force I can't talk about in which we did some quite important work. There are some excellent people in the FBI. It's a human organization though and over the years the FBI hierarchy has done some stuff that is flat out nefarious. Remember blackmailing the Kennedys so they could wiretap Martin Luther King; I sure do. So it comes down to this, Sandpebble .... do you trust the 'gubmint. I am very leery of trusting the government and that grew out of long association.

So I absolutely believe the Bureau is perfectly capable of covering its own hind end by suppressing the truth. If you don't you're being very foolish. Of course it's expedient at this instant for you to trust the Bureau. Did you trust the Bureau when Comey was simultaneously torpedoing Hillary Clinton while recommending she not be prosecuted

. I remember not too long ago the folks on your side wanted Comey fired, indicted or both. Things have changed and now Comey is the Dem's bud.

One last comment. FISA courts are nothing more than "Star Chambers." They subvert the rights and liberties of the people and I definitely believe the juice isn't worth the squeeze with them.

"Where you stand on an issue depends on where you sit." One of Murphy's infallible laws.

**bruce** · 02-01-2018, 06:47

Trust ... do we really not trust the FBI ..or the CIA? Trust ... but verify! Trust ... but verify! It worked w/ the Evil Empire! No reason it should not work with any department or agency of the federal government. Right?

Now ... with a bit more seriousness, what do you mean by "trust?" Are we to default to trusting the FBI/CIA b/c that would be helpful to the demokrats? Under the previous administration the squatter in the white house used the justice department, irs and fbi to further his own agenda. It is not possible for any rational man to think that the those departments/agencies can so easily shake off eight years of being mismanaged and used as weapons by demokrats against Republicans and Conservatives. That's the inconvenient truth.

The once sterling reputation of the FBI is now tarnished by the politically calculated actions of its agents and leadership. Tomorrow will likely be another sad day for the FBI. The demokrats will scream and holler about how it is outrageous for FBI law enforcement secrets to be made public, etc., etc., etc. The Justice Dept. may even join in the lament. Of course, had any concern been shown when Lynch was getting her instructions from clinton on the airport tarmac, then maybe there would be some reason to have confidence in the integrity of these agencies/departments. Maybe. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

**p246** · 02-01-2018, 07:22

Unfortunately the average agent has no control over its leadership. That leadership is what is being questioned at this time. It will be interesting to see what’s in the memo. Most of the FBI agents I know are assigned to bank robbery. They have all been very professional and hard working. I don’t know any big wigs so I can’t comment on that end of it.

**Allen** · 02-01-2018, 07:44

Everybody want to play politics, the FBI, the news media, the supreme court judges and all the thousands of other state and federal judges. This isn't their job nor concern.

**blackhawknj** · 02-01-2018, 08:03

As the Romans said, "Who guards the guardians?". I'm sure the FBI-the CIA-contains its share of self serving careerists, hacks just killing time for their pensions, etc. You think a lot of court decisions haven't been paid for ? William O. Douglas was widely suspected of being on the take. In the case of the FBI it seems that some people have attempted to turn it into a political police.

**leftyo** · 02-01-2018, 08:25

the FBI has been crooked from day 1. they do good stuff, but deep down crooked as heck!

**m1ashooter** · 02-01-2018, 09:00

Trust but verify. I agree with this concept. Power corrupts or at least tends to corrupt some people. The way I see this is like this. Why are the FBI/DOJ and the Democrats putting up such a big fight over the release of this information? The FBI says it will cause Grave Damage to the US. Whats in the memo? What are they afraid of?

**pcox** · 02-01-2018, 10:57

Originally posted by leftyo

the FBI has been crooked from day 1. they do good stuff, but deep down crooked as heck!

+1. From it's inception the FBI was supposed to be an investigative organization only. They became an armed police agency (with no authorization in the constitution) when they were battling the mob. The top guys have always had an agenda. Hoover should have been in prison long before his retirement.

**S.A. Boggs** · 02-02-2018, 01:10

"Trust, but verify" is not a bad idea as the FBI has apparently gone back to the old days. It is like many departments where you have the beat cops risking their lives, doing their jobs as best as possible. Upstairs you have the "political" cops who serve at the whim of the administration and are "yes" people. I suspect it is similar to what is happening to the FBI as well. This memo will be a blimp on their history unless it grows a life of it's own.
Sam

**Vern Humphrey** · 02-02-2018, 12:36

Originally posted by Jiminvirginia

We need to define who we are really talking about. The average FBI agent, perhaps of high rank, is likely 100 percent trustworthy and dedicated to the job and country. Unfortunately when some people reach certain levels and get tangled in the swirl of DC politics they can make poor decisions. Not saying the POTUS is correct but he might be.

When I see the "good" FBI agents coming forward and arresting the bad ones, I'll agree with you.

**S.A. Boggs** · 02-02-2018, 01:07

Originally posted by Vern Humphrey

When I see the "good" FBI agents coming forward and arresting the bad ones, I'll agree with you.

Cold as it is, I doubt it is cold enough for Hades to freeze over.
Sam

**Jiminvirginia** · 02-02-2018, 02:05

Well heck I've known a couple of FBI agents. Seemed like good fellows. Could be wrong.

**RED** · 02-02-2018, 02:40

So you knew some FBI agents. Did you know Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein, McCabe, Storzk, or Lisa Page?

Do you think they are good fellas too?

Trust... do we really not trust the FBI ..

Trust... do we really not trust the FBI ..

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