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One thing no longer really up for debate...AR actions in 5.56 with hi cap mags are the tool of choice for these shootings. Or is it coincidence?
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if thats what it takes ...
if thats what it takes ...
The NRA informed us all that excessive back ground checks were a waste of time because most gun crimes were commited by firearms obtained through theft ...or friends.
theft or friends ... thats a hell of a telling statement.... and one of the reasons I resigned my membership .
now... per the post from some one above mentioning the difference between a right and a priviledge ... yeh yeh yeh ... I get it ....
but when our rights give someone the "priviledge " to kill school children ...... we need a better planComment
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Selective indignation. If the weapon used had been stolen from the military, provide by a crooked cop-obtained through Fast and Furious ?
Our plan is to protect our rights and not let them be taken away through salami slicing tactics. Or perhaps we should have a Thought Police to monitor us for incorrect thinking-"deviationism" and ensure that those who not think correctly are dealt with ?Last edited by blackhawknj; 02-15-2018, 06:10.Comment
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How come we never see a school in the hood shot up?To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC PolicyComment
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Because too many of the students there would shoot back.Comment
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Good discussion but there is an elephant in the room that almost no one is talking about...
http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ign...hool-shooting/Comment
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With your "logic" where do "we" the gun owner bow down to "for the sake of the children!" I use to shoot in combat matches with other officers from several departments using a 1911 with a total load of 22 rds. My "average" run from start to finish @ 21 feet was 32-35 seconds hitting all targets presented. Magazine capacity is a fallacy as I shot against guys who had 14 rd in their weapon with more rds available in their basic load. Some officers had only 18 and were at a disadvantage in speed and amount carried. The restrictions given sound reasonable and that is the problem. Going back to the Gun Control Act which is now 50 years old and the Safe Streets Act of 1970 how has this cut down on gun's being used illegally? A law is only good as those who will obey it, nothing more. We give up 30 rd magazine, then it is a 20 a ten and then nothing. Remember too that if society is disarmed so will police as now they become a target for their weapons. Then society is left to the mercy of those who won't obey any laws what then? In Chicago more people are killed in a month by criminal's how does society stop that? Religion teaches morality, being responsible for self and looking out for other's, religion was taken out of schools now look what happens. Religion is not done in the homes anymore, hence morality and looking out for the other person. When good goes out bad comes in as natures abhors a vacuum. We can have all the laws and regulations that society will bear, what about those who ignore any rules of society?
SamComment
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Very good question, Sam. What indeed? As things are right now, such anti-socials as this shooter have a legal right to arm themselves and begin a mass shooting against unarmed victims. Once the shooting starts, other people have a right to stop him, and of course if taken alive, he will pay. But his ability to initiate a deadly engagement is undiminished. Imagine if he had used a suppressor. How much more confusion would have ensured, how many more targets would he have had with no loud report to act as an early indicator of danger? He did not have a suppressor, a NFA item, and therein points one possible direction to go in the future. The threat of anti-socials isn't going away, and calling it a Mental Health Problem equals doing nothing at all because there is no mental health system in this country. Might as well stick to offering our Thoughts and Prayers to the victims.what about those who ignore any rules of society?Comment
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We could go on all day with "what if" and so on. You are right about the mental issue, I saw too much that angered me with mental health. Many of the problems was caused by alcohol/drug abuse not real mental health issues. Now the British press is reporting that this "child" heard voice commanding him to act, if so Cruz will go to a mental hospital for a long time. Mental Health is an art/science, sometimes just a guess. The DSM manual is basically for billing purposes and classifying, nothing more. Many MHP do not want to report their clients in treatment citing "privacy" issues or if people know they will be reported they will not come in for treatment. I suspect that the American Psychiatric Association will be the big stumbling block in putting together a national data base of people who should not be allowed to purchase firearms. I wouldn't want anyone who hears voices or has Intermediate Explosive Disorder or anger issues from owning any weapons. It is about time that society quit blaming what was used and go after those who use it. How about a national data base for those who have problems with alcohol and restrict them from buying alcohol. While we are at it those convicted of road rage as well. Swipe your card to buy gas, no drivers license no gas, buy alcohol, swipe your card on a list no beer. There is so many ways to stop people now just with a swipe of a card. Come after my guns, how about your alcohol..."For the sake of the children!" makes a nice saying, doesn't it.
SamComment
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Guess what? Dennis Prager found out the shooter was adopted from Russia and born with severe fetal alcohol syndrome. I know 3 teachers who adopted similar babies and all 3 were institutionalized by age 5. It destroyed the part of the brain that processes empathy and conscience.Comment
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I had duty coaching youth soccer one season, drew the short straw. Had a Russian adoptee on the team, with a single mom. Nice lady as I recall. No one ever said if he had FAS, but he gave me the creeps. Kid was stone cold in a spooky way. I hope he doesn't do anything bad. If Putin is keeping his orphans now, OK by me.Comment
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