Hold The Line

[m1ashooter]

I've been having an interesting conversation with a very old friend about the shooting in Florida and the movement to enact more gun control laws. In my opinion it isn't a gun issue but an issue with society caused by a lack of parenting, over medication, violent movies and violent video games. I make this scientific statement simply because I grew up in the 60's and the 70's and we didn't have the same issues as we see today.

She keeps preaching about gun control and how when other countries have removed the gun they have removed the potential of school shooting. Its all she can think about. I even suggested I'd give up the 2nd amendment if we as a nation gave up abortion. She didn't bite on the offer.

So we as believers in the constitution must hold the line. The people attacking it will not move from their positions. We are the problem in their eyes.

[JB White]

Tell her to think of school shootings as late abortions and watch her eyes roll right before her teeth start gnashing.

[rkohut]

Tell her that an estimated 200 mothers kill their innocent helpless children every year in the US.

- Ask her if her 'solution' would be the same?

[clintonhater]

So we as believers in the constitution must hold the line. The people attacking it will not move from their positions.

No they won't, but that's no reason to be equally pig-headed. One change in the law I'm ready for is not a "concession" to the enemy, but a realistic adjustment to the sad & undeniable fact that our rotten public schools, combined with rotten parenting, are turning out scads of rotten 18 yr olds. Make them wait until 21 to be able to buy any gun, as it is now for handguns. Not suggesting that the rotten ones will reform themselves by 21, but maybe by then they'll have been convicted of some felony, or better yet, killed.

[Vern Humphrey]

No they won't, but that's no reason to be equally pig-headed. One change in the law I'm ready for is not a "concession" to the enemy, but a realistic adjustment to the sad & undeniable fact that our rotten public schools, combined with rotten parenting, are turning out scads of rotten 18 yr olds. Make them wait until 21 to be able to buy any gun, as it is now for handguns. Not suggesting that the rotten ones will reform themselves by 21, but maybe by then they'll have been convicted of some felony, or better yet, killed.

How's about tightening up on the schools so they actually EDUCATE the children? And hold parents responsible for their children -- especially those on welfare.

[barretcreek]

Visited some friends who are liberal and she was agreeing about the need to stop enabling these a-holes by giving them fame and immortality. Never mention their names or post their photos. She said her letters to our elected reps are just figure out the problem, not about guns. Even the libs are tired of being lied to.

[togor]

Vern what would you have schools do differently? Put the miscreants out on the street? Anything else?

[clintonhater]

How's about tightening up on the schools so they actually EDUCATE the children?

Wonderful, but how? Too late for that by about 50 yrs. Abolishing teacher's unions would have to be the first step, but even if that could be done, 90% of teachers, & administrators were themselves indoctrinated in liberal orthodoxy while still in college. Majority of public schools are a lost cause.

[clintonhater]

Put the miscreants out on the street?

So they can devote themselves full time to crime? Hell, no! First rebuild the reform schools torn down to comply with liberal social policies, then put them there.

[aintright]

The schools , the parents , they are good changes , but we have allowed a communist infiltration of our educational systems who have indoctranated our educated doctors with the changes that were brought about in parenting and educational systems .
Most people won't question a doctors opinion and with the changes being made without us having a choice . Remember when they started this crap , no one asked how we felt about , and if they had , again most wouldn't have questioned the wisdom of what the medical and educational system said was good .
It was slid in right under our nose .
Kenneth

[Sandpebble]

How Old ....

No they won't, but that's no reason to be equally pig-headed. One change in the law I'm ready for is not a "concession" to the enemy, but a realistic adjustment to the sad & undeniable fact that our rotten public schools, combined with rotten parenting, are turning out scads of rotten 18 yr olds. Make them wait until 21 to be able to buy any gun, as it is now for handguns. Not suggesting that the rotten ones will reform themselves by 21, but maybe by then they'll have been convicted of some felony, or better yet, killed.

How old was the Vegas shooter .... ? I'm thinking he was old school... as was his parents

[togor]

Wasn't the Aurora, CO shooter hearing voices? No blaming the schools for that. I don't know guys, expecting all of society to change to keep gun rules the same as the old days might be like pissing up a rope. Country has more people, more guns, so stuff is just gonna happen.

[clintonhater]

How old was the Vegas shooter .... ? I'm thinking he was old school... as was his parents

Was he a school shooter? Furthermore, as you well know, he was an exception to the typical "looser" who commits mass murder.

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Wasn't the Aurora, CO shooter hearing voices?

Not that I've heard.

[togor]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Holmes_(mass_murderer)

According to the internet the Aurora shooter had the wheels coming off and slipped through the cracks. He even flagged himself to the medicos.

[JB White]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jame...mass_murderer)

According to the internet the Aurora shooter had the wheels coming off and slipped through the cracks. He even flagged himself to the medicos.

Another one. Laurie Dann who killed kids in school in 1988.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Dann

You can skim but pay attention to the Aftermath segment. What's missing is the fact her family hid her problems for fear of embarrassment. With her medical records hidden she was able to pass Illinois background checks and the State Police issued her a FOID card.
Dann's actions resulted in the Morton Grove handgun ban which snowballed into other towns. The gunshop in Glenview IL. where she purchased her guns legally was sued out of existence.

Another case where mental health "experts" failed miserably, but gun owners suffered the wrath.