"The" Amendment ....

[Sandpebble]

Ya know... in all my very many years of enjoying the shooting sports I've always tried to spread my thought that we... gun owners.... should be the ones to take the bull by the horns.

We should have been responsible caretakers of that 2nd amendment "right" . I've always been unpopular with my idea that "we" should have beat the anti gunners to the punch and taken steps to prevent what truly has now become a national catastrophe .

So... how would we have been more responsible ? tough question. One way is we could have made a little more effort in understanding the other sides fear instead of the in your face F U... that one is going to come back and bite us on the ass.

heres one I'm truly guilty of..... crying foul and denying any such thing as a gun show loop hole . I once brought a friend who was iffy about guns to a gun show and he watched me cut a deal on a gun out in the parking lot ... and again inside with non FFL who'd rented a table .

"Those men didn't know you" said my friend.....
...and he was right. I showed him how irresponsible a gun guy I was. It was convenient and those sellers and I were willing to take a chance ...and he rightfully reminds me on occasion ... I failed an opportunity to educate someone .

I'm sure this thread will now be filled with reminders of all those shootings that happened with legally purchased fire arms ..... but legally purchased or not, it won't change what's happened time and time again....

ridicule those protesting kids on the busses if you want.... but mark my words... that Constitution will see another amendment one day ...

because we faied it

[blackhawknj]

And if someone with a valid driver's license and a street legal car goes on a killing spree, running over pedestrians.....
Like all this talk about "Ghost Guns". The pistol registered to your long gone great uncle, the rifle handed down from Great Grandpa, the war souvenir your father brought back, the ones you bought from the widow.....

[Dan Shapiro]

heres one I'm truly guilty of..... crying foul and denying any such thing as a gun show loop hole . I once brought a friend who was iffy about guns to a gun show and he watched me cut a deal on a gun out in the parking lot ... and again inside with non FFL who'd rented a table .

So YOU broke the law. And the solution will be to pass ANOTHER law..................that you can break?

Here's a thought: How about addressing the mental health issue? .............................crickets............. ..............................

[Sandpebble]

heres one I'm truly guilty of..... crying foul and denying any such thing as a gun show loop hole . I once brought a friend who was iffy about guns to a gun show and he watched me cut a deal on a gun out in the parking lot ... and again inside with non FFL who'd rented a table .

So YOU broke the law. And the solution will be to pass ANOTHER law..................that you can break?

Here's a thought: How about addressing the mental health issue? .............................crickets............. ..............................

Dan... not one single word in my post mentioned passing a law .... it only mentioned us as responsible caretakers of the 2nd . Blame lefty democrat teachers for this if you want.... but we lost this.

We all fought absolutely anything that was deemed anti gun .... and that included the privacy rights of those with issues... and those that need prescriptions to be normal ... so they could purchase too.

.............crickets back at you

oh... by the way... here in Florida private sales aren't illegal

[TomSudz]

Um, what law got broke? A face to face sale is legal. Unless you're telling us you can't have guns for some reason (which I doubt). There is no "gun show loophole" period. How is it irresponsible to legally purchase anything? I can buy a car without going to a car dealership. I can even buy one off of somebody who doesn't know me or if I have a license. Is that a "car show loophole"?

[clintonhater]

So... how would we have been more responsible ? tough question. One way is we could have made a little more effort in understanding the other sides fear instead of the in your face F U

Shown the same understanding they're displaying in slandering the NRA as "child murderers"? Many otherwise normal people have an irrational fear of snakes, or spiders, or even dogs; you can't "reason" them out of it. As for being in anybody's "face," that's what the gun-haters have made their specialty; ever seen a crazed mob of NRA members putting on a show for the cameras?

[Ken The Kanuck]

Up here one of the main reasons that the long gun registration failed and was repealed is that the criminals wouldn't register their guns.

KTK

[leftyo]

this is all a bunch of BS because the problem is not the guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ban then, take them away, the result will be the same and it doesnt matter if "we" do it or the democraps do it, it will not save 1 single person from being killed, because the criminals dont give a ratz azz about what is legal or moral. read what ken wrote above, it is spot on, and shows the stupidity in all of this.

[swampyankee]

Ya know... in all my very many years of enjoying the shooting sports I've always tried to spread my thought that we... gun owners.... should be the ones to take the bull by the horn.

HA!!! HA!!!HA!!! What a freaking joke.

[Sandpebble]

HA!!! HA!!!HA!!! What a freaking joke.

OK... option B ...

Lets just continue on as is until the Constitution is amended and we will all be "enjoying " our fire arms wrapped in plastic bags under the back yard .... laugh that off.

[S.A. Boggs]

OK... option B ...

Lets just continue on as is until the Constitution is amended and we will all be "enjoying " our fire arms wrapped in plastic bags under the back yard .... laugh that off.

You have a valid point on this, what does one do about it? A key word is "irresponsible" now how does one turn this around? People have been trying to do this since Adam and Eve without much success. If there was we would be living in a utopia something that is far off. Freud states the Id, Ego and Super Ego-Altruistic levels of humans. People who are criminal in nature are mainly in the lower tier rarely going to the next lever. Majority of people are in the middle-upper tier. Anti-social behavior stems from the "me" attitude, the Id and how does society raise them to a higher level? Mental illness is a whole new ballgame of human behavior, that of the ill mind where all bets are off. When I was in grade school in the 1960's we had our share of kids who went out of their way to misbehave, as adults this continued. One of my former class mates continued to operate outside of societal norms, one year after graduation a bullet to the head ended his tendencies.
Anti-social behavior is a daily occurrence, look at those violating speed laws on the highway, often with disastrous consequences to other's. If people won't comply with simple speed laws then will people comply with anything else? In past history if you did a major crime such as murder you were punished. In our society we are punished for someone else's acts and that is wrong! I wish I had an answer, I doubt that there is one.
Sam

[togor]

this is all a bunch of BS because the problem is not the guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ban then, take them away, the result will be the same and it doesnt matter if "we" do it or the democraps do it, it will not save 1 single person from being killed, because the criminals dont give a ratz azz about what is legal or moral. read what ken wrote above, it is spot on, and shows the stupidity in all of this.

Leftyo, cops are always taking guns off the streets. Crime guns, confiscations from felons, guns that "nobody knows how they got there". And the supply is continuously replenished. Does Chicago have a gun problem? You tell me. Some say it does. And in Chicago they report that the main sources for fresh guns are Indiana, Wisconsin and (of all places) Mississippi.

The Achilles heel of the "nothing will change" argument is that it encourages people to think about the problem on a bigger scale, because at the local level it is correct to say that tweaking a law here or there may not change much if anything.

[leftyo]

Leftyo, cops are always taking guns off the streets. Crime guns, confiscations from felons, guns that "nobody knows how they got there". And the supply is continuously replenished. Does Chicago have a gun problem? You tell me. Some say it does. And in Chicago they report that the main sources for fresh guns are Indiana, Wisconsin and (of all places) Mississippi.

The Achilles heel of the "nothing will change" argument is that it encourages people to think about the problem on a bigger scale, because at the local level it is correct to say that tweaking a law here or there may not change much if anything.

chicago has a criminal problem, they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country, yet have more gun crime. you tell me what good the laws are doing them?!! ill bet you have never speeded on the highway despite the fact it is against the law, and their are signs all over the place telling you the max speed limit. as long as someone is willing to accept the consequences, laws dont stop them from doing what they want. what stops people is having right from wrong beat into their head from the time they are an infant, til the time they die. this is our society's problem, we no longer teach kids right from wrong, and like ive said before, how to deal with life. oh no, lets not look at what the problem really is, instead lets blame an inanimate object. whatever it takes to just make the ignorant masses feel good today, screw actually solving the issue!

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OK... option B ...

Lets just continue on as is until the Constitution is amended and we will all be "enjoying " our fire arms wrapped in plastic bags under the back yard .... laugh that off.

problem with your mentality is, if we give one thing, the nutjobs who want them banned just use it as a stepping stone to go after the next thing. they do not stop just because you give a little. the left does not care what you give up, they want them all and have openly told everyone they want them all.

[S.A. Boggs]

There is a way, somewhat Draconian in thought. Attach a stiff penalty to any miscreant who uses a firearm such as NO BOND allowed, 20 year addition to any sentence imposed, the 20 years is MANDATORY no judge/jury can set aside. Even if the initial charge is reduced, the firearms charge stands. If nothing else it will get the offender off the street for a serious length of time. Punish the user, not what is used. Anybody disagree and is so, state a better idea.
Sam

[clintonhater]

There is a way, somewhat Draconian in thought.

Draconian in PC America? Not a chance--unless maybe that penalty was applied to someone using a gun to defend their life or property; even Chuck & Nancy would endorse that idea.