This is what the GOP's rebuttal should be for gun control

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  • Allen
    Moderator
    • Sep 2009
    • 10626

    #1

    This is what the GOP's rebuttal should be for gun control

    Our rights, freedoms, privileges and constitution are for American citizens only. If illegals are not going to be rounded up, arrested, fined and deported the very least we should do is deny them our rights including gun ownership. Here is a good example, not only an illegal but a DACA.

    Isn't she pretty?

    A 21-year-old student — a DACA recipient and an illegal immigrant — was arrested last week in Rochester, N.Y. for making terroristic threats against students in a high school, authorities said.
  • bruce
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 3759

    #2
    Rebuttal? Well, it sure isn't just to trot out the standard line of rights, freedoms, privileges, etc. Like a lot of really important things, this will be decided by how people feel as much as what they think. Fact is that the vast majority of these people are not fine folks. In every sense of the word, they are fine folks. They were brought to our country with no say in the process. The parents are criminals. The children are victims of their parents crime. For a variety of reasons, some folks want these children/adult victims removed from the country. Maybe the concern is a upcoming election. Maybe its just prejudice. Millions of Cubans came to this country and were welcomed. Some who came in the boat lift were just criminals plain and simple. Most ... no.

    This particular woman is about like the mythical welfare queen, a good snap shot to used by those who will be swayed by such things to try to persuade the the voters of this nation that all these children/adult victims are as a class criminals who only deserved the most severe treatment. That will play to conservatives trying to preserve political control. It will not wash with anyone else. The GOP had best not paint itself into a corner with such stuff as this. There are so many many more of these children/adult victims of their parents crimes who the left can and most certainly will put up on camera with verifiable human interest stories that are guaranteed to bring tears to everyones eyes and ... appeal to the middle of the road voters who routinely decide elections in our post-obama political world. The truth is that sooner or later, these people will be granted some sort of legal status. It was politically stupid for conservatives to ever have made such a big issue of it. At no point is it a winnable argument. It only leaves us looking stupid to the very people we need to win over ... middle of the road voters who simply are not going to listen to extreme demands that the left can and does repackage and then put up as hateful, angry, mean spirited, etc., etc., etc. We need to quit wasting our political capital on a loosing issue and focus on moving nominees to the federal judiciary. Granted it's not as fashionable as this dreamer stuff ... but getting solid conservatives on the federal judiciary and on the SCOTUS ... that's the stuff that dreams are made of!!! If we want to see our dreams come true for our nation, for our children and grand children, we need to quit loosing sleep over dreamers. Let them dream. Meantime, let's put our time and energy to what will really matter ... gaining control of the judicial branch of the federal govt. Otherwise, the left will win. It is that simple. The liberals have more votes that do conservatives. The liberals control the states with the most money. They liberals do a better job of turning out for elections. If conservatives fiddle around with nickel and dime stuff like this, we'll end up seeing the liberals own the whole thing, lock, stock and barrel ... and they'll do it on "other people's money." JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.
    " Unlike most conservatives, libs have no problem exploiting dead children and dancing on their graves."

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    • Allen
      Moderator
      • Sep 2009
      • 10626

      #3
      Illegal is illegal. Illegals are criminals, period. The dreamers have had years to "go home" where their citizenship exist. You would think that they would be on their best behavior right now (and always). Instead they are rioting and demanding "their rights" which they don't have. Now they are threating to kill us?

      I don't know of any one who welcomed the Cubans here except other Cubans that had made it to our shores.

      This type of liberal PC thinking is what got us into the situation we're in now. This isn't nickel and dime stuff. You're either part of the program or part of the problem.

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      • clintonhater
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2015
        • 5220

        #4
        Normally, ANY school-shooting threat, even by a 10-yr old, is picked up by all branches of the national media. I've just been searching the web & can find no mention of it except in Rochester-area websites; with one exception--USA Today. Just in case you aren't real clear on the meaning of "white-wash," glance at how USA Today describes the incident--entirely from the parents' point of view, who might as well have written the story. And some crazy right-wingers claim the press is slanted???

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        • Clark Howard
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 2105

          #5
          Considering how the dems treat us now, how do you think they will treat us if they know that we are not armed? Regards, Clark

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          • togor
            Banned
            • Nov 2009
            • 17610

            #6
            Originally posted by Clark Howard
            Considering how the dems treat us now, how do you think they will treat us if they know that we are not armed? Regards, Clark
            You're kidding, right? You really think that way?

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            • 1563621
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 1103

              #7
              If she is ILLEGAL, where did the shotgun come from? I am sure she votes democratic too!

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              • clintonhater
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2015
                • 5220

                #8
                Originally posted by 1563621
                If she is ILLEGAL, where did the shotgun come from?
                Belongs to her father, who has a green card, making him a legal alien-resident; that doesn't entitle him to buy a new firearm, but does it entitle him to own one?

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                • togor
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 17610

                  #9
                  Non-citizen legal residents can buy firearms if they have hunting licenses. At least that's how I think it goes. I think someone on a H1-B could buy a rifle and go deer hunting if they fill out the right paperwork. Probably need a hunter-safety course cert in most states.

                  https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/44...53009/download
                  Last edited by togor; 02-27-2018, 07:57.

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                  • Vern Humphrey
                    Administrator - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 15875

                    #10
                    You can use all the facts you want -- you can show how many "Dreamers" commit felonies, how many are on welfare, how many in prison, and so on. It won't faze the liberals -- they will continue to claim they are fine, upstanding people, better than native-born Americans . . . because they vote Democrat.

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                    • clintonhater
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 5220

                      #11
                      National media, except Fox, is doing everything possible to smother this story, as are local authorities in sanctuary-city Rochester--does a $15,000 bond seem appropriate for a murder threat? More like the bond for shop-lifting.

                      Hope Fox follows story, because for sure, no other network will.

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                      • dogtag
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 14985

                        #12
                        Legal residents (Green Card holders) can buy firearms just like citizens can.

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                        • clintonhater
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2015
                          • 5220

                          #13
                          Originally posted by dogtag
                          Legal residents (Green Card holders) can buy firearms just like citizens can.
                          Odd that anti-gunners never complain about that "loophole."

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                          • togor
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 17610

                            #14
                            It's kind of obscure.

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