Meanwhile in Sweden

[togor]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/0...-grenades.html

It turns out that Sweden has a gang problem, some would say an immigration problem, and perhaps surprisingly a possible hand grenade problem.

Focusing strictly on the hand grenades for the moment, what is the right policy? Get grenades to law abiding people so they have something to chuck back? Ban them with stiff penalties? Regulate their ownership and use?

And (bonus question) what parallels is anyone willing to draw to the great mass of handguns that are illegally possessed by gang members and felons in this country?

[Clark Howard]

The mere possession of a handgun in Sweden is a serious felony against the King. The problem is, the law is only enforced against those who have no intention of criminal activity. Regards, Clark

[clintonhater]

Huzza for the grenade makers!...because it's wonderful to hear Sweden is getting the trouble they asked for by rolling out the red carpet for ragheads. Hope there's a few to spare for distribution in Germany.

[leftyo]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/0...-grenades.html

It turns out that Sweden has a gang problem, some would say an immigration problem, and perhaps surprisingly a possible hand grenade problem.

Focusing strictly on the hand grenades for the moment, what is the right policy? Get grenades to law abiding people so they have something to chuck back? Ban them with stiff penalties? Regulate their ownership and use?

And (bonus question) what parallels is anyone willing to draw to the great mass of handguns that are illegally possessed by gang members and felons in this country?

you are definately trolling with this one. one this is for certain, you can be danged thankful we dont have a grenade problem here. imagine what a nut job could do walking from class room to class room in a school tossing a grenade in each door as they walked by. a guy with a half dozen grenades would make these school shooters look almost harmless.

[togor]

Huzza for the grenade makers!...because it's wonderful to hear Sweden is getting the trouble they asked for by rolling out the red carpet for ragheads. Hope there's a few to spare for distribution in Germany.

Yugo surplus.

[barretcreek]

you are definately trolling with this one. one this is for certain, you can be danged thankful we dont have a grenade problem here. imagine what a nut job could do walking from class room to class room in a school tossing a grenade in each door as they walked by. a guy with a half dozen grenades would make these school shooters look almost harmless.

My point to the 'ban AR-15' crowd. If these defective individuals ever figure out there are much easier ways to win the LSM "Highest Body Count" contest watch out.

[leftyo]

My point to the 'ban AR-15' crowd. If these defective individuals ever figure out there are much easier ways to win the LSM "Highest Body Count" contest watch out.

i 100% agree with you. the whole hysteria isnt about the AR15, it is about the leftist want your guns. the AR just happens to be the most prolific bullet hose. same with the tard in vegas with the bump stock. almost hate to say it, but while the wounded would have been less , if that guy would have been sitting up in that room with a couple good bolt guns the total dead would have been higher. dont know how many times ive said it, but banning anything will not reduce this type of crime in our country.

[togor]

My point to the 'ban AR-15' crowd. If these defective individuals ever figure out there are much easier ways to win the LSM "Highest Body Count" contest watch out.

It's true what you say. But the same can be said if the gang-bangers decide to upgrade some of their firepower from Glocks to ARs.

I don't want bans, so for me that means something else has to give. And that something else is firearms moving freely through the population with no paperwork and little to no ramifications.

[Dan Shapiro]

It's all the rage to talk about the tool. How long have guns been around?

So WHY these mass shootings now? The first I can recall was Whitman in 1966. What has changed in society? For some reason no one seems to want to go there. It's almost as if no one wants to challenge the so-called "evolution" of our society. We're so much more "sophisticated" and "knowledgeable" today.

[clintonhater]

The first I can recall was Whitman in 1966.

With a bolt-action.

[bruce]

It's all the rage to talk about the tool. How long have guns been around?

So WHY these mass shootings now? The first I can recall was Whitman in 1966. What has changed in society? For some reason no one seems to want to go there. It's almost as if no one wants to challenge the so-called "evolution" of our society. We're so much more "sophisticated" and "knowledgeable" today.

After reading your response, I thought, "I don't know." Then, I came back after supper and thought a bit. So ... What changed?

Consider ... who is doing the shooting? Men. Again, who is doing the shooting? Almost uniformly white men. What else is notable? Are there any examples of mass shootings where the criminal is a woman either white or of color or for that matter of immigrant status?

So, if the current rash of violence is the result of an evolution of society, then what evolution has occurred such that, for the most part, white men are committing acts mass murder? Is there some rational that might explain why acts of mass murder are more frequent? Is there some rational that might explain why acts of mass murder appear to be more associated with white men as compared to other races/genders?

If these questions can come to mind so quickly, doubtless there is someone who has already been thinking these thoughts. I don't have any real answers. What do you all think? Sincerely. bruce.

[Vern Humphrey]

For one thing, studies of children back in the '50s and '60s studied girls and very few boys. The politically correct position was there is no difference. So a great deal of our social engineering is based on the assumption if it works for girls, it will work for boys.

According to Pew Research, fewer than half the children in America are living in "traditional" homes. So a lot of boys are growing up without a strong father figure as a role model.

It should not surprise us, then, that when the hormones kick in, boys don't understand how to control and channel their newly-developed aggression.

[Art]

The mere possession of a handgun in Sweden is a serious felony against the King. The problem is, the law is only enforced against those who have no intention of criminal activity. Regards, Clark

According to the Swedish Govt. Website a Swede who is licensed to possess a firearm (and that's a good many Swedes, hunting being a big deal there) can own 6 rifles and shotguns, or 10 pistols, or 8 in combination. This is very similar to the law in Austria where the limit is 6 in combination. The only country I know of in Europe with an out and out ban on handguns is the U.K.

One of the more liberal countries in Europe when it comes to gun ownership is France which allows ownership of 12 firearms and a maximum of 1,000 rounds of ammunition per weapon. It is a "may issue" concealed carry country for defensive handgun carry.

The Czech Republic is interesting in that almost everyone who has a license to possess a firearm also has a license to carry a pistol for self defense, they usually go together.

Of course in all of these Euro. countries the ownership of firearms is a privilege not a right.

[clintonhater]

Is there some rational that might explain why acts of mass murder appear to be more associated with white men as compared to other races/genders?

It all started with Columbine. Teen-age misfits have always been around, hating other kids who didn't "accept" them & probably bullied them in school, but until Columbine none of them had really envisioned, except maybe in daydreams, that they could strike back in this way. Now, there's a secret internet culture among such misfits that glamorizes the Columbine shoot-out. Among almost all the actual & would-be school-shooters, Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold are held up as heroes, practically pin-ups, & consciously emulated.

Columbine doesn't explain why so many kids are pathologically disturbed--social factors are responsible for that, going back to Dr. Spock in the '50s--but it does explain why white boys have made school shooting their preferred means of revenge on a world that's done them wrong, they think.

[leftyo]

It's true what you say. But the same can be said if the gang-bangers decide to upgrade some of their firepower from Glocks to ARs.

I don't want bans, so for me that means something else has to give. And that something else is firearms moving freely through the population with no paperwork and little to no ramifications.

you should be strongly in favor of locking up criminals and keeping them locked up then.