Wearing NRA/RKBA clothing and badges, etc.

[RED]

The judges, prosecutors, legal clerks, bailiffs etc. all have government salaries, benefits, retirement packages, , but if there's a problem with getting jurors because We The People can't afford to further subsidize an already bloated government, then it's our fault, right ?
In the UK I have been told, a jury is the first twelve people from the pool, no peremptory challenges, etc.

More cockeyed thinking. "The judges, prosecutors, legal clerks, bailiffs all get paid..." Are you saying the system is mucked up because "The judges, prosecutors, legal clerks, bailiffs etc..." should not be paid?

It is as much a civic duty to vote as it is to serve on a jury... To refuse to serve on a jury because you don't get paid enough is just like refusing vote because you aren't being paid to do so.

[Dick Hosmer]

It's not just one day. What if you get called on a lengthy trial? They used to pay bus fare and lunch, about $9 a day. When you're feeding a family and paying a mortgage, that aint gonna cut it. IF...IF you have an employer who compensates wages for jury duty it's OK. Otherwise it's a loss of $200-$250 per day due to some thieving crack head. That and a possible loss of employment all together because they finished your project while you were sitting there wishing those attorneys would STFU.

I can see that it could be an issue for hourly employees. Before I became self-employed I was always on salary (never large, but, it was always there) and, in CA, your employer was on the hook for the difference between your normal pay and the stipend - which you had to sign over, of course - so I never lost any money. For all of the money that the unions have, you'd think they would have something available to cover jury duty, at least partially. Have only been only selected once, every other time it turned out to be a one-day matter.

[RED]

I can see that it could be an issue for hourly employees.

Of course it can be a real PITA, and of course a burden on a struggling hard working family. I was called 4 times and picked twice. Once for a city DWI case and once for a week long civil case. Both times cost me money but I still say it is a duty to serve when called. It was a hardship on me and my family when my military commitment was extended. I volunteered for 4 years after was told I was "needed," and wound up serving 5.75 years of continuous active duty.

IMHO dodging jury duty is the same thing as dodging military service. In both cases, having good people serving their country is essential in any successful society.

[JB White]

IMHO dodging jury duty is the same thing as dodging military service. In both cases, having good people serving their country is essential in any successful society.

That's your opinion and you're more than welcome to it. I do think you're taking a hard nosed attitude and lumping some people into an anti-American category when they really shouldn't be. This isn't a case where the country needs you. It's a case where the local government wants bodies without just compensation.
If someone is indeed struggling and living check-to-check for whatever reason, why should they be punished? In some cases why should their punishment for serving be greater than a possible fine levied against the accused? The bank doesn't care why the mortgage is late. The landlord doesn't care why the rent is overdue. The finance company wants the car loan paid on time. The grocery store doesn't give credit.
Even if any of them cared and offered to extend credit at no penalty (dream on) how is that individual supposed to make it up when the money simply isn't there?

Let's say that same individual does have a reserve banked. Why should that person be forced to sacrifice his personal hard earned savings to make up the setbacks? It's not as though it's illness or accident etc that he/she prepared for. It's someone else. Someone they don't know. Likely some $hithead who doesn't care about anyone but themselves. They are the ones sucking the life out of the family all in the name of "civic duty".

Dad works his @ss off. Mom stays home with the kids. Those kids are good kids being raised in a friendly environment. No welfare! The family values we all claim are disappearing and are the result of society going downhill. Yet you would chastise that man for defending what he's working so hard to build and maintain?

As I said, you're welcome to your opinion, but I'm also welcome to disagree with it.

[togor]

Never been summoned to jury duty. A long trial would definitely complicate work. Even so I think I'd try to make it work, on the logic of "if not me, then who?" It's one of the cornerstones of our society. High priced, politically-connected lawyers and judges have to briefly bow before ordinary people who don't have skin in the game, who are there to try to do right. It's a system worth preserving.

[clintonhater]

Never been summoned to jury duty. A long trial would definitely complicate work. Even so I think I'd try to make it work, on the logic of "if not me, then who?" It's one of the cornerstones of our society. High priced, politically-connected lawyers and judges have to briefly bow before ordinary people who don't have skin in the game, who are there to try to do right. It's a system worth preserving.

Well, then, why not inform the county judge that you've been unfairly neglected? And are yearning to do your civic duty? When you tell them that you don't watch cable TV news, you're certain to go to the top of the juror list.

[leftyo]

Well, then, why not inform the county judge that you've been unfairly neglected? And are yearning to do your civic duty? When you tell them that you don't watch cable TV news, you're certain to go to the top of the juror list.

doubtful he would volunteer. easier to sit back and complain about other people "doing nothing"! anybody that thinks jury duty isnt a p.i.t.a. , hasnt tried it!

[togor]

My county doesn't have many trials, and I'd have to fight for a jury slot against the AARP members looking very eagerly for something to do. BTW, leftyo: "I'd" is short for "I would". Pronounced properly it rhymes with "died".

[blackhawknj]

If jury duty is such a critical "civic" duty, why don't we make the whole criminal justice system a "duty" ? Like the military, EVERYBODY has to participate, to contribute, to serve. I'm sure many lawyers would like to be a judge for a week or so-and who says you have to be a lawyer to be a judge ? Or how about having jurors be well compensated out of the pockets of judges, defense lawyers, etc ? Years ago I heard a woman trial court judge from Philadelphia who was very critical of Lance Ito's handling of the O.J. Simpson murder trial, she said one of her colleagues would have kept it moving.

[leftyo]

My county doesn't have many trials, and I'd have to fight for a jury slot against the AARP members looking very eagerly for something to do. BTW, leftyo: "I'd" is short for "I would". Pronounced properly it rhymes with "died".

whats your grammatical problem this time? or do you think youre giving a spelling lesson again! ftard! maybe you need an explanation as to what a ftard is!

[togor]

FYI to Vern: when I'm trolling, in this case leftyo, that's (i.e., "that is") what it looks like. He trolls me back, so at some level it's all good.

[leftyo]

FYI to Vern: when I'm trolling, in this case leftyo, that's (i.e., "that is") what it looks like. He trolls me back, so at some level it's all good.

you can generally tell, because he thinks he is being intelligent! LOL

[togor]

True

[JB White]

True

[leftyo]

he obviously doesnt have a good grasp of the english language!