Trump and the Ladies

[togor]

https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-923-18-usc-371-conspiracy-defraud-us

Here is the statute

[m1ashooter]

https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimina...acy-defraud-us

Here is the statute

With all the crap that we have to wade through as citizens to determine a position, have you found any evidence that Trump is trying or tried to Defraud the gov't or is in bed with the Russians?

[togor]

With all the crap that we have to wade through as citizens to determine a position, have you found any evidence that Trump is trying or tried to Defraud the gov't or is in bed with the Russians?

We have the indictments, the guilty pleas among members of the campaign, and evidence of contacts between the Moscow and NY based Trump campaigns. And we have the sense that there is more to come. This Cambridge Analytical thing for example is just getting started. Conspiracy buffs stuck on Soros really ought to have a look at the Mercers.

[S.A. Boggs]

Dick nobody would impeach him over covering up his 2006 tomcatting.

They'll impeach him for trying to obstruct the investigation into the 2016 conspiracy by his campaign to defraud the United States in conjunction with agents of a foreign government.

Trump may not discern the difference.

Fraud and National Socialist are co-equals...one equals the other. Hillary bought the party, was furnished advanced questions and this does not hint of fraud on a large extent? National Socialists believe that fraud on and for their behalf is an "honest" endeavor. Of course National Socialism is so screwed to the abnormal that fraud is acceptable. Remember their slogan, "Vote Early Vote Often!", or canvasing cemeteries for new voters is also accredited to them. How many votes did old man Kennedy buy to get JFK elected?
Sam

[Allen]

How many votes did old man Kennedy buy to get JFK elected?

Plus the old man had a deal with the mafia to swing the election to JFK.

And the rest is history. The mafia kept their end of deal and got screwed by JFK and Robert who were then whacked.

[aintright]

We have the indictments, the guilty pleas among members of the campaign, and evidence of contacts between the Moscow and NY based Trump campaigns. And we have the sense that there is more to come. This Cambridge Analytical thing for example is just getting started. Conspiracy buffs stuck on Soros really ought to have a look at the Mercers.

The word "We" at the beginning of your post , says a lot .
Kenneth

[togor]

"We" refers to the public, of which everyone here at the forum is a member. I'm guessing you had some other idea in mind.

[aintright]

The word "We" at the beginning of your post , says a lot .
Kenneth

It doesn't need explaining , you make it plain were you stand and it doesn't have squat to do with the general public here . I haven't seen anything that shows anyone collaborated with the Russians .

[togor]

It doesn't need explaining , you make it plain were you stand and it doesn't have squat to do with the general public here . I haven't seen anything that shows anyone collaborated with the Russians .

And if you do? What then?

[Roadkingtrax]

And if you do? What then?

Not sure it will ever happen in the face of OUR special council's indictments.

[Sandpebble]

It doesn't need explaining , you make it plain were you stand and it doesn't have squat to do with the general public here . I haven't seen anything that shows anyone collaborated with the Russians .

Oh Yeah ... I believe it too....

Trump Jr... Kushner... and Manafort... yup... they all got together with a Russian operative to discuss "adoptions" ... totally believable in anyones book.

Ok... may not be able to prove collaberation..... but you can't honestly say you don't believe there was intent... can you?

[aintright]

Oh Yeah ... I believe it too....

Trump Jr... Kushner... and Manafort... yup... they all got together with a Russian operative to discuss "adoptions" ... totally believable in anyones book.

Ok... may not be able to prove collaberation..... but you can't honestly say you don't believe there was intent... can you?

Intent ? Yes , there was intent for the dems and media to stage a grand show . But I never was much on circus shows .
Togor , sounded as you are conceding that you don't have a leg to stand on . As for what turns up in this sharade of an investigation , You are right I probally won't believe anything that comes of this investigation , it has went on too long and the attack has not just been on Trump , but every one who is not in left field .
And I know the prosecution can be very deceptive in building a case .
One other thing sandpebbles , Trump is a very successful businessman and I am absolutely sure he is aware that playing ball with Putin would have to be an extreme risk with today's technology . Just wouldn't seem to me he would be dumb enough to think that would fly .
Kenneth

[RED]

It doesn't need explaining , you make it plain were you stand and it doesn't have squat to do with the general public here . I haven't seen anything that shows anyone collaborated with the Russians .

Oh, where have you been, Mars? The absolute evidence is there was a tremendous collusion with the Russians. Remember when he didn't know his mike was on and Obama told the Russians "... After the election I can be much more flexible..." Then there is the uranium deal Ok'ed by both Obama and the Clintons, that got hundreds of millions of dollars into the Hillary slush fund she calls a "foundation."

It is only recently the Russian strategy has been revealed. They interfered in the 2016 elections by staging fake violence at Trump's rallies... and fake KKK/Nazi's at Hillary's events. They fed the antifa crowd and did everything they could to promote discord, discontent, and violence. They weren't pro Trump or pro Hillary, they were anti-American, pro hate, and pro divisiveness and they succeeded (with the help of their minions we call the Stooges who are here everyday doing exactly what the Russians did).

[aintright]

ok , maybe "anyone, was a broad brush , but I think we both understand who I was referring too .

[togor]

Intent ? Yes , there was intent for the dems and media to stage a grand show . But I never was much on circus shows .
Togor , sounded as you are conceding that you don't have a leg to stand on . As for what turns up in this sharade of an investigation , You are right I probally won't believe anything that comes of this investigation , it has went on too long and the attack has not just been on Trump , but every one who is not in left field .
And I know the prosecution can be very deceptive in building a case .
One other thing sandpebbles , Trump is a very successful businessman and I am absolutely sure he is aware that playing ball with Putin would have to be an extreme risk with today's technology . Just wouldn't seem to me he would be dumb enough to think that would fly .
Kenneth

I'm not going to get ahead of the story, that's true. I don't know what Mueller has found. But the trend is that bits are gradually filling in. Meanwhile I keep hearing that because a certain highly specific narrative hasn't come out yet, that's proof that the whole thing is a charade. To me that's just looking for an excuse.

If Trump is as innocent as he claims, I'd think as the chief of state he'd show respect to the institutions of our government, and set a good example during this investigation. But no, he has to trash anything he regards as being in his way. I just don't see this guy ever having a happy ending. As one observer suggested, "one day he'll realize that being President isn't it either."