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  • sid
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 3198

    #1

    Kentucky Set To Reform Welfare By Hiring Private Contractors...

    ...to run the programs. This sounds like a good idea. Kentucky was also the first to add a work requirement to the program.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...e-contractors/
  • Vern Humphrey
    Administrator - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 15875

    #2
    What usually happens is the contractors come up with the problem, and get paid for fixing it.

    Look at subsidized housing: Someone gets some cheap land, writes something up to prove subsidized housing is needed, and bang! he's got a guaranteed occupancy rate for the shacks he throws up. And he usually builds them in an area where there are no jobs (that's why the land was so cheap) so poor people have a choice -- live in subsidized housing with no job, or give up their homes to look for work. That's called the Poverty Trap.

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    • TomSudz
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 3676

      #3
      ...and the program expands because they don't want to lose the contract or their jobs. Kinda like why they'll never cure cancer. Too many jobs depend on it.
      I dream of a better world. One where chickens may cross the road without their motives being questioned.

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      • blackhawknj
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2011
        • 3754

        #4
        No different than government agencies.

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        • dryheat
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 10587

          #5
          Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
          What usually happens is the contractors come up with the problem, and get paid for fixing it.

          Look at subsidized housing: Someone gets some cheap land, writes something up to prove subsidized housing is needed, and bang! he's got a guaranteed occupancy rate for the shacks he throws up. And he usually builds them in an area where there are no jobs (that's why the land was so cheap) so poor people have a choice -- live in subsidized housing with no job, or give up their homes to look for work. That's called the Poverty Trap.
          That's the way it goes. Tough.
          If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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          • Vern Humphrey
            Administrator - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 15875

            #6
            Originally posted by dryheat
            That's the way it goes. Tough.
            And we have to pay for it.

            Bob Bechtel, who was a token liberal on Fox, once said, "You don't understand. Poverty programs aren't intended to reduce poverty, they're intended to make people more comfortable in their poverty."

            How many trillions of dollars have we spent on poverty programs? And we weren't playing to WIN?!?

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            • togor
              Banned
              • Nov 2009
              • 17610

              #7
              Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
              And we have to pay for it.

              Bob Bechtel, who was a token liberal on Fox, once said, "You don't understand. Poverty programs aren't intended to reduce poverty, they're intended to make people more comfortable in their poverty."

              How many trillions of dollars have we spent on poverty programs? And we weren't playing to WIN?!?
              Bob had a point in that while there is a constant flux of people moving into or out of the ranks of the poor, the category itself will persist as long as civilization exists. The question for a society becomes what sort of conditions should be part of life at the bottom. For example, should kids born into poverty have health care and adequate nutrition or not. Poverty is routinely described by some as the product of a moral failing, an inability to make good on chances offered. That element can exist in individual cases, but it doesn't change the fact that society also has broader decisions to make about poverty and those living in it.

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              • Vern Humphrey
                Administrator - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 15875

                #8
                Is there an English translation available?

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                • leftyo

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                  Is there an English translation available?
                  he said, do you want welfare or not?!

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                  • Vern Humphrey
                    Administrator - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 15875

                    #10
                    Originally posted by leftyo
                    he said, do you want welfare or not?!
                    He had to ASK that question?

                    I'm all for welfare -- as long as HE pays for it.

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                    • leftyo

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                      He had to ASK that question?

                      I'm all for welfare -- as long as HE pays for it.
                      i think he wants you to pay for it.

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                      • Allen
                        Moderator
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 10626

                        #12
                        This is where CNN would preform one of their famous polls by asking only those that are on welfare.

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                        • togor
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 17610

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                          Is there an English translation available?
                          Over your head? Sorry. I'll try again.

                          As long as there is a ladder, some people will be at the bottom. A set of folks will climb up, others slide down, still others pushed down or pulled up, but it will never be empty down there. Vern I trust you know your Bible, and so you know Jesus had a good bit more to say about the poor than the parable of the talents.

                          But any society, Christian or not, has the opportunity to say something about what life will be like at its lowest rungs.

                          Poverty isn't like smallpox, a contagious disease that can nonetheless be eradicated from a population. Someone born with Down's Syndrome or bad birth defects, and not in a rich family, can expect to live on a very tight budget. Fools may get swindled into poverty, or a healthy person struck by disease that leaves him/her destitute. People find their way into the ranks of the poor every day. Not all of them will you be able to judge harshly.

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                          • blackhawknj
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 3754

                            #14
                            Welfare was originally "widows and orphans"-people who found themselves in straitened circumstances due to the loss of the breadwinner, parents, etc.
                            Big difference between them and the girl getting pregnant at 15-like her mother. grandmother, aunts, sisters, etc. because in the words of the video "Swipe Yo' EBT!" "And nine months later yo' collecting bucks!"

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