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  • RED
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 11689

    #46
    Originally posted by milboltnut
    Considering what I have said in this thread do you really think I am living in denial?

    Christ Speaking from Matthew 10 verse 33...

    But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven

    And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night

    https://billygraham.org/story/whats-the-unforgivable-sin-billy-graham-answers/
    Denial no... I think you are just another Bible thumping charlatan that is getting rich by cheating honest hardworking God fearing Americans out of their money. Jim and Tammy Baker, Kenneth Copeland (and such) are your Gods.

    Last edited by RED; 04-10-2018, 05:08.

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    • milboltnut
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 432

      #47
      No sorry Red... not one of those. Try again?
      For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

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      • leftyo

        #48
        haha red is off his meds again! no i dont think your quite as bad as what red has said, but from just what you have written in this thread alone, yeah you may have some screws that need tightening.

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        • milboltnut
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 432

          #49
          why would you say that?
          For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

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          • oscars
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 551

            #50
            Naw, he just got a bad bottle of Jeremiah Weed !

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            • dryheat
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 10587

              #51
              You can spout Mathew, Mark,Luke and John all you want and it's great fun. Kind of like car talk: 427, four on the floor(old time), posi-traction, 4-11 rear end. It's all fun until someone gets hurt. It's the one's that actually believe they can drive it that cause trouble. Mostly they crash the car and die and that works out OK except for the bystanders who were a little too close. Bystanders aren't the smartest folks either. Ask any fireman or the 300 that Jim Jones killed.
              Bible Thumpers are either rich or dumb. Billy Graham was a artist. A Rock star. When I was a kid I was impressed by his talk. But I know it's just humans writing and speaking. Hitler was a artist and he had a willing crowd.
              The Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, Big Foot, the Yeti, Martians, the brothers Grimm. Lots of fantasy. The bible is based on some important things. Things that were important a couple of grand ago. Still important today. But spouting bible verses and God forbid, Revelations, is just like guys at the gun show who want to tell you about the 1893 Rollins nipple fire(No such thing, I made that up). So, Milbolt, get a haircut and leave that hippie/Jesus freak stuff behind.

              I have to do everything.
              Last edited by dryheat; 04-10-2018, 10:36.
              If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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              • milboltnut
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 432

                #52
                Jim Jones
                Do you know anyone that is a true believer and not him?

                Bible Thumpers are either rich or dumb
                I'm neither.... and as far as being dumb.. it depends on your definition of dumb. Majority of this world are lost people who need Christ to make them realize where they are going wrong and to pardon them from sin.

                Billy Graham was a artist
                My wife knows people who got saved from one of his crusades and it changed their lives.....

                But I know it's just humans writing and speaking
                There's no way that people wrote much of what he said considering he spoke directly to a crowd other than looking down to watch an outline HE wrote, and Gods Word it CONTRADICTORY to the human way of life. So there's no way humans wrote any of it.

                get a haircut and leave that hippie/Jesus freak stuff behind
                BTW I don't have long hair, never did. So maybe before you judge ALL Christians based on a few bad eggs, you might want to examine at your own deceitful heart.
                Last edited by milboltnut; 04-11-2018, 01:29.
                For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

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                • togor
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 17610

                  #53
                  Hey I saw a '93 Rollins at a county fairgrounds auction last summer.
                  Last edited by togor; 04-11-2018, 04:06.

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                  • Art
                    Senior Member, Deceased
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 9256

                    #54
                    Boy am I glad there isn't a religion forum here.

                    I have one thing I'm going to add. A lot of people quote the Bible Almost everyone, even many non believers have one in their house. The number of people who have read it cover to cover is very small though. I volunteer with a Christian non profit and I can tell you by actual survey most of the staff have never read the whole thing. I can also tell you that just reading it once gives you only the vaguest over view, especially since it isn't really chronological. Actually "getting it" takes multiple readings and a knowledge of antiquities, especially the history and culture of the ancient near east.

                    I'm a Christian, I've read the book in its entirety several time. I also have a life long interest in ancient history. Selective quoting of the "Old Book" doesn't impress me, and can distort actual meanings leading to false conclusions. I remember a preacher who had a great line about that: "I don't like people to quote half the Bible to me." He then proceeded to give several examples.......

                    "The Good News" is the basic message isn't that difficult.

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                    • togor
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 17610

                      #55
                      Quoting is by definition a selective process. One can try to make it more complete by stretching a quote to encompass an entire passage, but even then there can be another passage elsewhere in the book that runs counter to the one quoted. There are a few sections that stand out, in the way that some passages of our constitution do, and are worthy of quotation. But I agree with the sentiment that quoting scripture is too often employed as a meager substitute for living it.

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                      • leftyo

                        #56
                        like i said, loose screws!

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                        • milboltnut
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 432

                          #57
                          just reading it once gives you only the vaguest over view
                          not true....

                          distort actual meanings leading to false conclusions
                          again not true...

                          If your mom told you it's time for dinner... did she have to tell you twice? If she did then that's called disobedience. Did you believe her the first time or did she have to expound on it? See certain things are cut and dry... people, plain and simple. If you wrestle with things that shouldn't be wresteled with, in the word of God, then that's called disobedience.... whether mom is commanding you or the Father tells you something. You die without faith in Jesus Christ then you Will spend eternity in everlasting torment.. period.

                          Bottom line.... The bible, Gods Word, is His spirit inspired word to the believer, and is not revealed to the unbeliever. Until the unbeliever accepts the sacrificial atonement of the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross, God will not reveal his truth and indwell in the lost soul.
                          Last edited by milboltnut; 04-11-2018, 01:41.
                          For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

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                          • Art
                            Senior Member, Deceased
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 9256

                            #58
                            Originally posted by milboltnut
                            not true....



                            again not true...

                            If your mom told you it's time for dinner... did she have to tell you twice? If she did then that's called disobedience. Did you believe her the first time or did she have to expound on it? See certain things are cut and dry... people, plain and simple. If you wrestle with things that shouldn't be wresteled with, in the word of God, then that's called disobedience.... whether mom is commanding you or the Father tells you something. You die without faith in Jesus Christ then you Will spend eternity in everlasting torment.. period.
                            Define adultery in light of the law of Moses.

                            In the Bible what family member is God most often compared to?

                            No cheating now .
                            Last edited by Art; 04-11-2018, 12:13.

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                            • milboltnut
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 432

                              #59
                              adultery... another mans wife or vice versa, worshiping another god or idoltry, other than God himself, leaving your first love Christ... which we are the bride and He is the bridegroom.. The law of Moses is to be put to death.

                              Leviticus 20:10...

                              And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


                              what family member is God most often compared to?

                              The father is the family member which refers to God...husband metaphorically also speaking.. which I also said above, we are, metaphorically, the church is the bride of Christ.
                              For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

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                              • Art
                                Senior Member, Deceased
                                • Dec 2009
                                • 9256

                                #60
                                Originally posted by milboltnut
                                adultery... another mans wife or vice versa, worshiping another god or idoltry, other than God himself, leaving your first love Christ... which we are the bride and He is the bridegroom.. The law of Moses is to be put to death.

                                Leviticus 20:10...

                                And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

                                Half correct. In the law of Moses adultery occurs it (1) a man has intercourse with a married woman or a woman who is "pledged" or "betrothed," or a married (or betrothed woman) has intercourse with a man who is not her husband. A married man who has intercourse with a woman who is not married, not pledged or a concubine does not commit adultery. He might commit something else like a property crime (rules for dealing with this are explicitly spelled out) if the woman is a virgin living in her father's home but it is not adultery.

                                It wasn't until Jesus came along that the definition was changed for Christians to include a married man who was intimate with any woman he was not married to was an adulterer.



                                The father is the family member which refers to God...husband metaphorically also speaking.. which I also said above, we are, metaphorically, the church is the bride of Christ.
                                Again, partially correct. In the Old Testament God is virtually always referred to, although often obliquely as God the husband. This is why adultery is referred to more than any other sexual transgression and why rebellion against God is systematically referred to as adulterous behavior. It is why Jesus said "a sinful and adulterous generation looks for a sign." Not a sinful and treacherous, or sinful and deceitful. Understanding 1st Century Hebrew wedding traditions helps because Jesus refers to them almost constantly in his explanations of the relationship of God to his people. In the Old Testament these metaphors and allegories can be very graphic. The whole book of Hosea and the Song of Songs deal with it in detail; in Ezekiel it's particularly graphic especially in Ezekiel 23 where God speaks of the infidelity (adultery) of his people with the Egyptians and Assyrians of whom it says speaking again of Israel "She was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like those of horses." This is the great metaphor between God and his people expressed in terms of the one man woman because the sexual relationship is the most intense important relationship between human beings. It is also why it was so important that the metaphor be expressed in terms of the one man woman. In the New Testament Jesus does many extrapolations in which he explains there is a "father God" in addition to the metaphorical "husband God" whose roe he takes on. This is only a modification however, as brides of Christ we are still brides of God, metaphorically speaking of course.

                                Hmmm. Didn't handle the answers as well cosmetically as I would have liked.
                                Last edited by Art; 04-11-2018, 03:43. Reason: Clarity

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