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Red, are you a Russia BOT?
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Last edited by Roadkingtrax; 04-05-2018, 01:24."The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman -
What does Manafort have to do with Trump, Russia, or the election? Oh tell me Red that you didn't type that with a straight face.Comment
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Manafort ??... what about Stone... or Flynn ?. Lots of very pro Russians in the fray. Why ?.. I ask why because I have never for a moment doubted that Russia or those pro Russia was an enemy of this country. Did Kushner or Junior collude with the enemy? might not be provable ... but the intent was there because I don't believe for one friggin millisecond that that Russian agent wanted to talk to them about Russian adoptees...
Also I have never for a moment doubted that any one pro Wiki Leaks was an enemy of my country ... and I remember all to well that statement... " I Love WikiLeaks !" And Palins apology to Assange ..
We were all too happy to to believe it was better to be friendly with the Russians last year... weren't we?... we were dupedComment
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Then please explain it to me. Manafort did not deal with the Russians. He was hired by Trump and then fired when his misdeeds with the Ukraine came to light. So Trump's advisors made a mistake when they recommended Manafort and Trump fired him. All of Manafort's alleged crimes happened years before Trump ever met him.
There is no, zero, evidence that Trump ever violated a law during his campaign.
I pray to God that Pence resigns and Trump appoints Hillary as V.P. Then he resigns so Hillary becomes President and appoints Maxine Waters as VP.
You guys would cream in your pants and there would be joy in Russia, No. Korea, and Chicago.
Stupid is....Last edited by RED; 04-05-2018, 05:12.Comment
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Red you're right that the Paul Manafort story started years ago, but kidding yourself if you think he was somehow now a different guy during his association with the Trump campaign.
A nice background piece from the print edition of The Atlantic.
Before Trump fired this guy, he hired this guy.Comment
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More BS and twisting the facts. Your link is completely meaningless. It was written in 2018 not before the campaign. Much of what was in that newly written link was known by the FBI but not the public at large. Show me where, when, and how Trump found out what the Feds knew about Manafort. That ought to be easy for somebody with the telepathic mind reading ability you have! In fact, you should be able to say that Trumps campaign called the FBI at 9:37 AM on June 22, 2016 and they released Manafort's secret FBI dossier to them and Trump ignored it.
It is as plain as the nose on Hillary's face that the FBI is using Manafort's previous misdeeds to blackmail him into lying about Trump. Any Federal prosecutor could make the case against Manafort and no special prosecutor would be needed for that. What Mueller is doing is nothing less than a coup d`etat on the on a duly elected U.S. President. He should be arrested, tried, and upon conviction be executed.
A special prosecutor (counsel) is, by law, supposed to investigate a crime that has been committed. Pray tell me what crime Mueller is investigating? It sure is Hell ain't about the election, it ain't about the Russians, it is all about overthrowing President Trump even if it is something like spitting on the sidewalk in NY City in 1966.Comment
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Red, your phrasing is wrong. White collar crimes such as bribery, embezzlement, conspiracy, money laundering, tax evasion, extortion, lying to investigators, obstruction of justice, may lead to or be related to bodies in dumpsters (an obvious crime worthy of investigation), but unlike said corpse those crimes themselves don't jump out and have to be identified through investigation. Manafort is trying the same argument that you are, that without overwhelming proof of a crime no investigation is even allowed, and it got him nowhere with a federal judge this week. I mean, that's an absurd argument, that without a slam dunk case an investigation into white colliar crime cannot even begin. A classic Red straw argument!! Mueller meanwhile has shown that he is operating within his instructions from Rod Rosenstein.
As to whether Rosenstein himself had probable cause to issue those instructions, you say no he didn't but let's admit you're neither a lawyer or privy to the investigation.
Given the grand jury indictments and the guilty pleas, an average person can reasonably assume that there is something there and that Rosenstein's assertion of probable cause is justified. If the charges against Manafort stem from "matters arising" in the 2016 election, then too bad for Paul for getting caught. As a crook, he deserves it, yes? Does he have something of value to trade for leniency? Some say yes, but so far we don't know.Comment
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That is where you are wrong... 1) If Manafort had scammed the Ukrainians out of $10 Billion in 2010, are you saying Trump was involved? 2. Are you saying Manafort and the Ukrainians are the ones that rigged the 2016 U.S. election? 3. Are you saying Manafort was the one that talked Trump into colluding with the Russians?Given the grand jury indictments and the guilty pleas, an average person can reasonably assume that there is something there and that Rosenstein's assertion of probable cause is justified. If the charges against Manafort stem from "matters arising" in the 2016 election, then too bad for Paul for getting caught. As a crook, he deserves it, yes? Does he have something of value to trade for leniency? Some say yes, but so far we don't know.
The fact is Trump didn't know diddly about Manafort's illegal activities and probably never even heard of the guy until 2016 when Manafort sent Trump a unsolicited memo outlining the steps he believed Trump should take in order to win the election. Trump thought those steps were the right ones so he called Manafort in to aid in doing that. Manafort joined the campaign and when his Ukrainian misdeeds were revealed, Trump fired him. BTW, Gates was Manafort's guy. Gates is described by the MSN as being a Trump "senior advisor," but he never once ever spoke to Trump and they never met. Is that what you think of as a "senior advisor."
But there I go again talking to you like you are an adult instead of a 16 year old teenaged girl (or is it a girly boy).Comment
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Well Red neither of us knows what Mueller knows, so all we can do is play the waiting game.Comment
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