London murder rate higher than New York City

[Vern Humphrey]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43610936

Apparently the chickens are coming home to roost in England

[togor]

Didn't someone on Gun Talk post something about differences in definitions used for the US versus UK stats? Also, is this factoid a backdoor endorsement of tough NY gun laws?

[Bill D]

Looks like the Brits need to launch a strict knife ban.

[clintonhater]

Scum eradicating scum: what's the problem? Wish I could finance the free distribution of a shipload of fine Italian stilettos--like the one confiscated from me by British Customs when I crossed over from France.

[oscars]

More that a bit of cherry picking of data. Check rate for January which is much different. Also note rates for 2017 which demonstrates that rate for London is one-third of that for New York (117 vs 290).

[leftyo]

More that a bit of cherry picking of data. Check rate for January which is much different. Also note rates for 2017 which demonstrates that rate for London is one-third of that for New York (117 vs 290).

whats the population of each city, cant say its one third if you dont know the population for an accurate comparison.

[RED]

There is no valid comparison of much of anything in NY vs. London that is meaningful. Amount of beer consumed in London vs. amount of tea consumed in New York (or vice versa), for example The thrust of the news story is about the sudden increase in murders in London and is not a historical perspective.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43610936

Added...

Suicide by gun is included in the NY homicide figures and would naturally be far less in London.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/u...-suicides.html

[Vern Humphrey]

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines murder and nonnegligent manslaughter as the willful (nonnegligent) killing of one human being by another.

Suicides are not lumped in with homicides in the UCR.

[blackhawknj]

They have been working on knife bans, selling knives whose points cannot be sharpened, etc.

[milboltnut]

Ch. Supt. "I can't understand how things have gotton out of hand?? I dunno?

Oh I know... they took away guns from people and are defenseless. Who knew? Guess that's what happens when you have a gov't who doesn't give a hoot about their people. Long live the King...hip hip !!

[RED]

Suicides are not lumped in with homicides in the UCR.

They should be. By definition a suicide is a homicide... there is usually no one left to prosecute but it is in fact "homicide." More people die from self inflicted gun shots then are murdered with guns and you can bet your best dog that suicides are included in the figures used by the anti gunners.

[clintonhater]

...you can bet your best dog that suicides are included in the figures used by the anti gunners.

Yes, of course--anything to inflate the numbers, such as defining a "child" as anyone under 21. (Under Obamacare. it's 25!)

However, lumping suicide with murder is ridiculous--and morally outrageous. If you don't "own" your own life, you're a slave.

[RED]

Suicides are not lumped in with homicides in the UCR.

Looks like you are right (as usual), most places including law books say a homicide is when a human life is taken, by another human. The article I read included the following quote which is apparently inaccurate:

criminal.findlaw.com › Learn About The Law › Criminal Law › Criminal Charges
Homicide Definition. To begin with, not all homicides are crimes. Homicides include all killings of humans. Many homicides, such as murder and manslaughter, violate criminal laws.

And on another site:

Suicide is a homicide but there is usually no one left to prosecute...

[JB White]

Yes, of course--anything to inflate the numbers, such as defining a "child" as anyone under 21. (Under Obamacare. it's 25!)

However, lumping suicide with murder is ridiculous--and morally outrageous. If you don't "own" your own life, you're a slave.

The CDC who has determined gun violence is a 'disease' has always lumped 25 and under into their lopsided stats. Doesn't matter if a pair of 24 year old dopers kill themselves in an alley shootout, of if a cop drops a 23 year old in the commission of an armed felony. The CDC report includes them as a child killed by a gun.

Interesting that if under 21 they are a child when killed. A shooter at 18 will be tried as an adult and still be allowed to vote.