Army Field Manual 3-19-15 Civil Disturbance Operations

[S.A. Boggs]

Something to consider to this argument is our nations physical health. People are invading us who will bring in diseases that we have fought to eradicate such as TB. How about an outbreak of small pox or other diseases that are no longer prevalent? If this becomes a danger to YOUR family, how will you now feel on sealing the border? In our compassion to assist the "less" fortunate do we send our carriers to Africa to transport the "less" fortunate to our shores if the US won't guard our borders. I know this sounds absurd but some people have this transportation as a possibility. Either we judiciously guard our border to repeal all invaders or just walk away as losers in our own county it is as simple as that.
Sam

[togor]

International transmission of diseases is definitely a thing, but the next pandemic can be just as easily spread by an infected American returning from business abroad as by an infected foreigner coming here.

[clintonhater]

International transmission of diseases is definitely a thing, but the next pandemic can be just as easily spread by an infected American returning from business abroad as by an infected foreigner coming here.

Good reason for quarantines on people traveling to shat-hole countries. Let's keep Ebola, the Pin Head Disease, etc. where they can do some good.

[togor]

Good reason for quarantines on people traveling to shat-hole countries. Let's keep Ebola, the Pin Head Disease, etc. where they can do some good.

Russian troll stuff.

[Richard Turner/Turner Saddlery]

Re: Authority/Garden Plot. This isn't 1992 with riots, fires, etc., etc. It isn't anything remotely close to it. If and when there are movements of foreign military forces to attack our nation, then it will be appropriate to deploy our nations servicemen in force to defend our borders. Until then, any need for police, etc. is purely a civil matter to be attended by the appropriate local, state and federal authorities. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

I was referencing the OP's post: With all the talk about employing US troops on the southern border and how active troops can't arrest etc., I asked myself what gave them the authority to put down the riots in the late 60's? So I started researching and found this field manual.

Also your previous post: It is the past. Dead and gone. Probably for the best. Once upon a time the Army was ordered to destroy the tents/belongings of US veterans who were demanding the payment of their promised bonus ... which never got paid. Before that, the it was either the Army or the Nat. Guard that was used to break strikes, etc. All of that was done in a different era when a lot of things were done that were plain wrong. The Army has one function only ... war. Silly euphemisms like "defense operations, etc." do not change that basic fact. In recent administrations soldiers have been used to observe, etc. That may possibly be acceptable. But, the idea that soldiers are going to be deployed on the southern border to repel an invasion of illegal aliens is purely the stuff of Hollywood script writers ... and of course the dream of demokrat candidates looking longingly at the coming election cycle. That's just the way it is. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

In addition to the fact that over 300,000 illegals illegally cross the Southern border every year, more and more OTMs from Middle and Far Eastern Countries are captured. It is a fact that NOT all OTMs crossing can be stopped by the Border Patrol. Are they a threat to National Security? I would say so. Is it a countries' duty to protect its own borders? YES. Will one or several bring in a WMD, NBC, or deadly virus/disease? Residents and ranchers along the Southern border have been fighting this battle for years. Cut fences, home invasions, property loss, assaults, rape, murder, garbage strewn across canyons and grasslands. Not only is it bad for the country, but it sure impacts property values. I for one, would not want to live close to the border and have to fight this battle on a daily basis. Who would want to put up with this in their backyard?

While assigned to MCB Camp Pendleton, CA, in the late 80s/early 90s, as a CID Agent, the majority of auto thefts from housing areas in the south were attributed to illegals as were many house-breakings and burglaries in enlisted housing areas. Been down on the border many times, definitely worse today than it was 30 years ago.

[leftyo]

its an estimated 10million plus illegals that have come over that border, when do people consider it a foreign invasion?

[togor]

Business interests, large and small, are as much to blame as sentimental liberals. Take your upper Midwestern dairy Farmer who has only kind words for the illegals that milk his cows while their kids get educated in the nearby schools, who by law cannot turn them away, and probably shouldn't anyways, lest they cause trouble in town. The farmer votes for Trump because well, the Supreme Court, and hopes he won't crack down on his labor supply, because gosh, Manuel and Juanita are doing the work at wages no local will take. And with the price of milk as it is, tough enough to make a living in dairy (actually true).

You see it in the news. People dislike illegals in the aggregate, but find reasons to like the ones nearby. Trump will have the same problem with trade. He's going to be picking winners and losers in the economy, and some of the losers have connections.

[m1ashooter]

it is an interesting problem to some and a non issue to others in our nation. To me we are being invaded without a shot fired, yet others that I have talked with don't see a problem with people entering our country illegally. A few say they are just poor people looking for work.

[clintonhater]

Take your upper Midwestern dairy Farmer who has only kind words for the illegals that milk his cows while their kids get educated in the nearby schools, who by law cannot turn them away, and probably shouldn't anyways, lest they cause trouble in town.

They come to work, then work--with a permit--not breed kids. Their GD kids have no business here, not to mention the cost of their schooling. Send money made here back to their families--it's done ALL over the world by foreign workers in other countries; only HERE are they allowed to carry out their breeding program on foreign soil.

[togor]

They come to work, then work--with a permit--not breed kids. Their GD kids have no business here, not to mention the cost of their schooling. Send money made here back to their families--it's done ALL over the world by foreign workers in other countries; only HERE are they allowed to carry out their breeding program on foreign soil.

I don't know if I'd even go that far. Some dairy farmer means to tell me that his operation will go toes up unless he gets cheap labor to run his milking parlor 24/7 with cows jacked on rBGH because of the interest payments on the loan he took out for the massive expansion? The same expansion that when multiplied across the country leads to an overproduction of milk and forces the taxpayers to buy butter and cheese they don't need? Screw it! Dry up the cheap labor, let the dairy industry come to a reasonable equilibrium.

[dryheat]

It is a fact that all OTMs crossing cannot be stopped by the Border Patrol. What? Other Than Mexicans. You seem to have some experience with the southern border, but where did that come from?

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Who'll pick the lettuce? Screw lettuce.

[Richard Turner/Turner Saddlery]

It is a fact that all OTMs crossing cannot be stopped by the Border Patrol. What? Other Than Mexicans. You seem to have some experience with the southern border, but where did that come from?

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Who'll pick the lettuce? Screw lettuce.

dryheat: Glad you brought that to my attention, should have been "NOT all OTMs crossing can be stopped".

What little experience I had on the border was almost 30 years ago, from 1988 to 1991, San Ysidro Crossing, San Diego County, CA, while assigned to CID Camp Pendleton, CA. When assigned check point duty, our main task was assisting Border Patrol and Customs with U.S. military service members who had been apprehended or detained re-entering the country for various violations such as possession of drugs or contraband and if warranted, initiate an investigation. The MPs handled those cases where a service member forgot or lost their AFID Card, got into trouble with Mexican LE in TJ or Baja for public drunkeness/fighting. In minor cases, the Mexican authorities would transfer custody of the service member to their respective service, i.e., USMC MPs, Navy MAs/SPs, Air Force APs, or U.S. Army MPs. Border Patrol Agents I had interactions with were great people to work with, but as I understand it, the border has gotten much worse in recent years than it was when I was there.

[RED]

The President of the USA is CIC of the military.

Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock in 1957, sans black members. They were brutal at times using bayonets to prevent home owners that lived across the street from coming and going to and from their own property. As CIC the President can order the military to do pretty much anything. The posse comitatus law does not apply to the National Guard and from what I've read Trump is using them and not the U.S. Army as has been done numerous times in the past.

BTW the first blacks graduated from Little Rock's Central High School in 1963. My wife also graduated from Central High in 1963.

[bruce]

Re: Eisenhower. Last time I checked ... it ain't 1957. Hasn't been 1957 for a long gone generation or more. Good thing it's dead and gone. Note ... the then president didn't pull such stuff up in Boston, etc. Wonder ... why? No president since then has been dumb enough to pull a similar stunt. Recon why? Guess it works out to the simple fact that the police are the police ... and the Army/NG has no place enforcing the law. That is the job of the police. All the talk about having the Army go marching off to combat people in the streets is the stuff of to much coffee and time spent in the past. If the President is so foolish as to pull this sort of stunt, he will give the demokrats the election cycle of 2018 ... and very likely turn things over to them in 2020. It's that simple. People are not going to put up with such stuff today. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[S.A. Boggs]

Re: Eisenhower. Last time I checked ... it ain't 1957. Hasn't been 1957 for a long gone generation or more. Good thing it's dead and gone. Note ... the then president didn't pull such stuff up in Boston, etc. Wonder ... why? No president since then has been dumb enough to pull a similar stunt. Recon why? Guess it works out to the simple fact that the police are the police ... and the Army/NG has no place enforcing the law. That is the job of the police. All the talk about having the Army go marching off to combat people in the streets is the stuff of to much coffee and time spent in the past. If the President is so foolish as to pull this sort of stunt, he will give the demokrats the election cycle of 2018 ... and very likely turn things over to them in 2020. It's that simple. People are not going to put up with such stuff today. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

Politely disagree, when your in trouble of any degree help is usually appreciated. If the American people are so foolish to vote National Socialist then America deserves the consequences. In Holy Scripture God used the enemies of Israel to chastise the nation when the people had gone astray. Stupid people deserve what they get! The Deacon's at our church get request for funding for prepaid cell cards, paying for cable or other nonsense. When declined the people [entitled usually] get upset that it is our job to "help" them have a happy life.
Sam