Military Taking Women's Role Seriously

[AZshooter]

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...-unacceptable/

IMO, they need to be lined up & shot with blunt & slow-moving bullets: both Puppet Mama and Officer administering the oath. Too idiotic for words.

[Vern Humphrey]

Once again, I say we should form two Infantry companies, one all-male, the other all-female. Have them carry all the weapons, ammo, supplies and equipment a company carries in combat. Have one company start from Mount Katadin in Baxter State Park, Maine, and march south along the Appalachian Trail. Have the other start from Springer Mountain in Amicolola State Park, Georgia on t he same day, and we'll see where they meet.

[oscars]

Let’s do it this way Humpty Dumpty. You take your company of gravel grinders up the AT. I will take just four women flying A10’s (two flights) loaded for max ground air support. We will find and shred your boys to the max. My scenario is just as stupid as yours.

[blackhawknj]

An excellent example of why service women get "No Respect".

[JB White]

Page is down. Link goes to Air Force Times but no story available. Fake news. Hailed by the left. Hacked by the Russians. Gremlins again.

[Vern Humphrey]

Let’s do it this way Humpty Dumpty. You take your company of gravel grinders up the AT. I will take just four women flying A10’s (two flights) loaded for max ground air support. We will find and shred your boys to the max. My scenario is just as stupid as yours.

Except that mine isn't stupid, Grouch. I've led a company across the panhandle of Viet Nam and know what I'm talking about. Small people -- and that means women -- can't pack the gear.

[S.A. Boggs]

Except that mine isn't stupid, Grouch. I've led a company across the panhandle of Viet Nam and know what I'm talking about. Small people -- and that means women -- can't pack the gear.

It is one thing to fly in a machine, it is another to hump the ground. Vern has the experience and the scars to prove his claim, can other's back up what they post? It is one thing to punch a key, it is another to sight a close in target and pull the trigger. Vern has and can do both!
Sam

[togor]

Boston Marathon was just run in some pretty lousy conditions. Observation was made that in such conditions, the women drop out at lower rates then men. No one single theory nails it, seems to be a combination of things.

A strong heart matters more than a strong back in rough country.

[Vern Humphrey]

Now load 'em down with body armor, helmets, ammo, weapons, machine guns, mortars, water, rations, radios, batteries and so on to the tune of 95 pounds and let them repeat the performance.

[bruce]

Now load 'em down with body armor, helmets, ammo, weapons, machine guns, mortars, water, rations, radios, batteries and so on to the tune of 95 pounds and let them repeat the performance. Yep. Guess they'll get around to issuing wheel barrows... carts, etc. so that everyone can carry everything someone thinks they need up to and including the kitchen sink! JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[S.A. Boggs]

Boston Marathon was just run in some pretty lousy conditions. Observation was made that in such conditions, the women drop out at lower rates then men. No one single theory nails it, seems to be a combination of things.

A strong heart matters more than a strong back in rough country.

A marathon is different then combat I will speculate. Vern has the background to offer his opinion as HE HAS DONE THIS IN REALITY, not under simulation so I trust his judgement in this matter. History has females in combat in many situations, some successful some not. In simulation you know it is not for real, combat is real. Russia used women as sniper's, not attack combat troops. From the information gathered they were quite successful at what they were trained to do. Take those same women and attack a defended position in possible hand to hand combat what would the outcome be? There are exceptions to every rule, strong bodied women, weak males. Yes, a small female can be trained to physically defeat a stronger male, how far equally outfitted with what is needed will each last in performance that is the issue. What about being captured, the female will suffer far worse then her male counterpart that is a given. Psychologically the female starts at a disadvantage due to her sex, combat will only amplify this factor.
Sam

[togor]

Now load 'em down with body armor, helmets, ammo, weapons, machine guns, mortars, water, rations, radios, batteries and so on to the tune of 95 pounds and let them repeat the performance.

No sh*t. But what you did then isn't as much in demand these days. The services, sad to say, have no shortage of fat guys

[blackhawknj]

The Marines conducted extensive tests showing that all-male combat teams consistently perform better than mixed-gender ones. In the 1970s when women were admitted to the service academies, West Point found than on a program of strict diet and rigorous PT women improved less than a third as much as the men. Yes, I know-gender is just a social construct. Women as pilots ? -remember Kara Hultgreen.

[Vern Humphrey]

The Marines conducted extensive tests showing that all-male combat teams consistently perform better than mixed-gender ones. In the 1970s when women were admitted to the service academies, West Point found than on a program of strict diet and rigorous PT women improved less than a third as much as the men. Yes, I know-gender is just a social construct. Women as pilots ? -remember Kara Hultgreen.

I was peripherally involved with that case -- I worked for Link, which among other things made flight simulators (as I recall, we had already been absorbed by Hughes.) In any case, we were watching the video of her crash (all carrier landings are videoed.) Malacca Bob Glenon, sitting next to me, said quietly, "I would not have crashed that airplane." That, of course, is the definition of pilot error -- if another pilot would not have crashed.

The powers that be ruled that it could only be declared "Pilot error" if an experienced pilot in the simulator could recover from the situation she got herself into WITHOUT using standard recovery procedures.

[S.A. Boggs]

No sh*t. But what you did then isn't as much in demand these days. The services, sad to say, have no shortage of fat guys

Togor again you are missing the point of reality. A female, because of her physical sex, starts at a disadvantage that males do not. Do I need to explain the difference to you about males and females? A "fat" guy can be reduced and replaced with muscle, not so much for a female due to different sexual body structure. Back in the early 80's our department was forced, yes forced, to hire a female deputy...she didn't last long. Bar fights and take downs can be physically strenuous at times which can tire the strongest person out. Not starting with a great deal of physical strength puts any person at a disadvantage especially if the actor is strung out. As a clinician a mandated class each year was on de-escalation and what do if physically attacked. Our trainer, a female black belt, asked for a show of hands who were military/police trained stating that this is DEFENSIVE NOT OFFENSIVE. We had clinicians attacked, I was only threatened once with physical harm. A client asked me what would happen if he hit me, my reply was "Your judge wouldn't take kindly to that being my friend." Needles to say the conversation changed to something else, my criminal clients were easier to get along with then other "normal" clients.
Never having been in combat I will take the word and experience of those who were as gospel. Vern I hold in high esteem as knowing what reality is, not what other's percerive it to be.
Sam