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  • Dan Shapiro
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 5864

    #1

    Krauthammer is back!

    This is from Charles Krauthammer who did not go for Trump, read what he thinks of him now!

    Charles Krauthammer's interesting take on Mr. Trump:

    To my friends "of a different persuasion" I'm not trying to sell anything or
    anyone but I do feel this is an interesting take on our very controversial
    president who I truly believe is not Republican or Democrat.

    A TAKE ON DONALD TRUMP ...

    A different take on Donald Trump: (a non-political agenda)

    Trump Is Not A Liberal or Conservative, He's a "Pragmatist." (Definition: A
    pragmatist is someone who is practical and focused on reaching a goal. A
    pragmatist usually has a straightforward, matter-of-fact approach and
    doesn't let emotion distract him or her.)

    "We recently enjoyed a belated holiday dinner with friends at the home of
    other friends. The dinner conversation varied from discussions about antique
    glass and china to theology and politics.

    At one point, reference was made to Donald Trump being a conservative, to
    which I responded that Trump is not a conservative.

    I said that I neither view nor do I believe Trump views himself as a
    conservative. I stated it was my opinion that Trump is a pragmatist. He sees
    a problem and understands it must be fixed. He doesn't see the problem as
    liberal or conservative, he sees it only as a problem. That is a quality
    that should be admired and applauded, not condemned. But I get ahead of
    myself.

    Viewing problems from a Liberal perspective has resulted in the creation of
    more problems, more entitlement programs, more victims, more government,
    more political correctness, and more attacks on the working class in all
    economic strata.

    Viewing things according to the so-called Republican conservative
    perspective has brought continued spending and globalism to the detriment of
    American interests and well being, denial of what the real problems are,
    weak, ineffective, milquetoast, leadership that amounts to Barney Fife
    Deputy Sheriff, appeasement oriented and afraid of its own shadow. In brief,
    it has brought liberal ideology with a pachyderm as a mascot juxtaposed to
    the ass of the Democrat Party.

    Immigration isn't a Republican problem, it isn't a Liberal problem, it is a
    problem that threatens the very fabric and infrastructure of America. It
    demands a pragmatic approach not an approach that is intended to appease one
    group or another.

    The impending collapse of the economy wasn't a Liberal or Conservative
    problem, it is an American problem. That said, until it is viewed as a
    problem that demands a common sense approach to resolution, it will never be
    fixed because the Democrats and Republicans know only one way to fix things
    and the longevity of their impracticality has proven to have no lasting
    effect.

    Successful businessmen like Donald Trump find ways to make things work, they
    do not promise to accommodate.

    Trump uniquely understands that China's manipulation of currency is not a
    Republican problem or a Democrat problem. It is a problem that threatens our
    financial stability and he understands the proper balance needed to fix it.

    Here again, successful businessmen, like Trump, who have weathered the
    changing tides of economic reality understand what is necessary to make
    business work, and they, unlike both sides of the political aisle, know that
    if something doesn't work, you don't continue trying to make it work hoping
    that at some point it will.

    As a pragmatist, Donald Trump hasn't made wild pie-in-the-sky promises of a
    cell phone in every pocket, free college tuition, and a $15 hour minimum
    wage for working the drive-through at Carl's Hamburgers.

    I argue that America needs pragmatists because pragmatists see a problem and
    find ways to fix them. They do not see a problem and compound it by creating
    more problems.

    You may not like Donald Trump, but I suspect that the reason some people do
    not like him is because:

    (1) he is antithetical to the "good old boy" method of brokering backroom
    deals that fatten the coffers of politicians;

    (2) they are unaccustomed to hearing a president speak who is unencumbered
    by the financial shackles of those who he owes vis-a-vis donations;

    (3) he is someone who is free of idiomatic political ideology;

    (4) he says what he is thinking, is unapologetic for his outspoken thoughts,
    speaks very straightforward using everyday language that can be understood
    by all (and is offensive to some who dislike him anyway) making him a great
    communicator, for the most part, does what he says he will do and;

    (5) he is someone who understands that it takes more than hollow promises
    and political correctness to make America great again.

    Listening to Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders talk about fixing America is
    like listening to two lunatics trying to "out crazy" one another. Jeb Bush,
    John Kasich and Marco Rubio are owned lock, stock, and barrel by the
    bankers, corporations, and big dollar donors funding their campaigns. Bush
    can deny it, but common sense tells anyone willing to face facts is that
    people don't give tens of millions without expecting something in return.

    We have had Democrats and Republican ideologues and what has it brought us?
    Are we better off today or worse off? Has it happened overnight or has it
    been a steady decline brought on by both parties?

    I submit that a pragmatist is just what America needs right now. People are
    quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance, but that is common
    among those who have never accomplished anything in their lives (or
    politicians who never really solved a problem, because it's better to still
    have an "issue(s) to be solved," so re-elect me to solve it, (which never
    happens) and those who have always played it safe (again, all politicians)
    not willing to risk failure, to try and achieve success).

    Donald Trump put his total financial empire at risk in running for president
    and certainly did not need or possibly even want the job; that says it all.
    He wants success for the U.S. and her citizens because he loves his country.

    God Bless America
    "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe, while Congress is in session." Mark Twain
  • Sandpebble
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2017
    • 2196

    #2
    Was there anyone still awake at the dinner table after such a lengthy diatribe ??

    " Donald Trump put his total financial empire at risk in running for president
    and certainly did not need or possibly even want the job; that says it all. "

    thats the part where I just have to call bullxxxx .... don't want the job... don't try so hard to get it
    Last edited by Sandpebble; 04-27-2018, 02:45.

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    • JB White
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 13371

      #3
      Didn't need all that to make a point.

      I said that I neither view nor do I believe Trump views himself as a
      conservative. I stated it was my opinion that Trump is a pragmatist. He sees
      a problem and understands it must be fixed. He doesn't see the problem as
      liberal or conservative, he sees it only as a problem. That is a quality
      that should be admired and applauded, not condemned.
      'nuff said right there. Now it's up to others to think about that.
      2016 Chicago Cubs. MLB Champions!


      **Never quite as old as the other old farts**

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      • Dan Shapiro
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 5864

        #4
        certainly did not need or possibly even want the job

        Emphasis on POSSIBLY. Has anyone ever asked him? So far, all I've seen is speculation, primarily from Democrats and NEVER-TRUMPER's. Because, as we all know, and were told; "EVERYONE knows that HILLARY! will be the next President."
        "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe, while Congress is in session." Mark Twain

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        • togor
          Banned
          • Nov 2009
          • 17610

          #5
          Did Krauthammer write this? I had doubts because it does not read like him. Snopes says someone named Mychal Massie wrote it. Blogger vs. syndicated columnist, not quite in the same league.

          An opinion piece arguing that President Donald Trump is a pragmatist rather than a Republican or a Democrat was written by Mychal Massie, not Charles Krauthammer.

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          • Roadkingtrax
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 7835

            #6
            Originally posted by togor
            Did Krauthammer write this? I had doubts because it does not read like him. Snopes says someone named Mychal Massie wrote it. Blogger vs. syndicated columnist, not quite in the same league.

            https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/di...te-take-trump/
            Are you calling this fake news?
            "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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            • togor
              Banned
              • Nov 2009
              • 17610

              #7
              Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
              Are you calling this fake news?
              I think "mistaken news" has a softer ring. Not to be mistaken with "Conway news", which is fake news about a completely different topic than the one at hand.

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              • RED
                Very Senior Member - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 11689

                #8
                I don't care who wrote it but it is exactly what I have been saying for two years . Togor and his foolish Stooges say that Trump is this that or the other. I have said over and over and over that he is not a Conservative, he is not a Republican, he is not a politician, he gets things done. But sometimes he can be wrong, and so the unemployment level is at record highs, nobody has a job, the stock market has crashed, the dollar is worthless, and the Chicago Cubs are in 3rd place because Trump is a moron. Just ask togor and the other Nazis in this world.

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                • JB White
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 13371

                  #9
                  ...and the Chicago Cubs are in 3rd place because Trump is a moron
                  Now there's an excuse I've never used before. Thanks!
                  2016 Chicago Cubs. MLB Champions!


                  **Never quite as old as the other old farts**

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                  • oscars
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 551

                    #10
                    The central issue was the authorship of this glurge Obviously, attributing to Krauthammer was an attempt at lending some sort of “gravitas”. So Trump has no inner political self other than self aggrandizement and his own financial worth.
                    Bully for you Red for accepting Trunp’s political stances. Actually, I find you to be a pathetic old man who has created some sort of online persona. Your sole social life appears to be little more than online wars with imaginary political foes and bogey men. As such, I find you amusing and not the least bit harmful to me in your puerile responses to my comments.

                    PS Don't send any "love notes" to me as I don't read any PM's from this site.

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                    • dryheat
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 10587

                      #11
                      Haven't seen one of these in a while but I sure like this line.


                      Listening to Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders talk about fixing America is
                      like listening to two lunatics trying to "out crazy" one another.-
                      If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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                      • RED
                        Very Senior Member - OFC
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 11689

                        #12
                        Originally posted by oscars
                        The central issue was the authorship of this glurge Obviously, attributing to Krauthammer was an attempt at lending some sort of “gravitas”. So Trump has no inner political self other than self aggrandizement and his own financial worth.
                        Bully for you Red for accepting Trunp’s political stances. Actually, I find you to be a pathetic old man who has created some sort of online persona. Your sole social life appears to be little more than online wars with imaginary political foes and bogey men. As such, I find you amusing and not the least bit harmful to me in your puerile responses to my comments.

                        PS Don't send any "love notes" to me as I don't read any PM's from this site.
                        Wrong again! The central issue was the message and not the messenger. And as far as my social life goes, you are as ignorant about that as you are about politics. Why don't you move to a socialist heaven like Venezuela, Cuba, Argentina, No. Korea, etc you would be more at home in any of those countries.

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                        • togor
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 17610

                          #13
                          Actually Red, gravitas was the point. Look at the title of this thread-KRAUTHAMMER! Anyone can write stuff like that. Once again oscars takes a point from you and once again you cannot bring yourself to admit it.

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                          • RED
                            Very Senior Member - OFC
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 11689

                            #14
                            Originally posted by togor
                            Actually Red, gravitas was the point. Look at the title of this thread-KRAUTHAMMER! Anyone can write stuff like that. Once again oscars takes a point from you and once again you cannot bring yourself to admit it.
                            Twist and turn that's all you know. I can almost guarantee the original poster believed Krauthammer wrote the article and I would bet my favorite deer rifle that Dan would never have posted the article had he known it was falsely attributed.

                            I hate to pee in your Wheaties, but no matter what you say or your stooges think... the first paragraph of that article was factually spot on. You can twist and turn and lie and cry but you can't change that

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                            • Sandpebble
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2017
                              • 2196

                              #15
                              Quite right Red

                              I hate to pee in your Wheaties, but no matter what you say or your stooges think... the first paragraph of that article was factually spot on. You can twist and turn and lie and cry but you can't change that[/QUOTE]

                              Quite right Red... he is neither. What he is is a billionaire business man with an ego and a personal agenda. Only thing he likes about you is your ability to bow and praise

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