Senator John McCain Said He Does Not Want Trump At His Funeral...

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  • RED
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 11689

    #16
    Originally posted by Sandpebble
    Well Red.... if your hero Trump will demean the Military Service of John Mcain .... what do you suppose he really thinks of you and your service ? .... hhmmm, I wonder
    I don't give a rat's behind what you believe Trump thinks of me or any and all veterans. I guarantee you that it is better than anything Hillary and Billary and BHO thinks anybody that served in the military. Hate is all you know... you hate your father, you hate anybody that stands up to your bullying, you obviously hate your country, and, the truth is you don't know diddly about Trump.

    You lie and claim to know things that are unknowable... You claim Trump dodged the draft... Hillary, Soros, and others spent spent millions to prove that... and failed. You didn't spend a dime but claim you have proof??? Send it along or shut up. I guarantee that it is a proven fact Billary dodged he draft and you LOVED him and Hlliarly. You are a proven hypocrite many times over.

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    • togor
      Banned
      • Nov 2009
      • 17610

      #17
      Red some things are knowable. Such as the type and number of deferments Trump had.

      https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/0...ft-record.html

      The answer is 5--4 for school, 1 for spurs. But although he wasn't fit to put on the uniform, he knows of the sacrifice of the men who served there. Here, in his own words, his personal Vietnam:

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      • RED
        Very Senior Member - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 11689

        #18
        Originally posted by togor
        Red some things are knowable. Such as the type and number of deferments Trump had.

        https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/0...ft-record.html

        The answer is 5--4 for school, 1 for spurs. But although he wasn't fit to put on the uniform, he knows of the sacrifice of the men who served there. Here, in his own words, his personal Vietnam:

        https://youtu.be/deA6MMXSjCg
        The same type and amount of deferments received by over 20 million of other men. (25 million men eligible for the draft, 2.1 million drafted) Yes I had deferments... college, married, and a child and yet served 5 years and 8 months of continuous active duty and you hate me and belittle my service. Every thing Trump did was legal at the time. Why don't you hate the other millions of men that received deferments? Trump was legal, Bill Clinton broke the draft law and lied and you love HIM. Tell me how that is not hypocritical. You hate Trump, you hate your culture, and your country. You hate and think it is somehow funny.



        Twist and turn, hate and burn, agitate, agitate, agitate...
        Last edited by RED; 05-07-2018, 03:38.

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        • togor
          Banned
          • Nov 2009
          • 17610

          #19
          Well you said something was unknowable and it turns out it wasn't. But you correctly point out that Trump had the same college deferments as a lot of those long-haired hippy freak college students protesting the war. But Trump was never going to go, as the magic 5th deferment demonstrated, because like Dick Cheney he had "better things to do". But that didn't stop him from surviving his own personal Vietnam a bit later in life, as the clip articulates. As for belittling your service, no one to my knowledge here has done that, because A) it would be simply wrong and B) it would paint you in a sympathetic light. You went where the Navy sent you and did your job. Had they sent you to SE Asia it would have been no different.

          So more BS from Red on the pile. Be careful that you're not crushed when it finally topples over.

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          • RED
            Very Senior Member - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 11689

            #20
            Trump had the same college deferments as a lot of those long-haired hippy freak college students protesting the war.
            Twist, twist, and twist some more. There were millions and millions of people with deferments and now you claim that Trump and the hippies are one and the same because they both had them. There were millions of honest hard working, patriotic kids that were smart enough to want to go to college and make something out of themselves and so they went to college. They didn't go to college just to dodge the draft. Then there was millions of draft eligible young men that made a mistake but did the right thing... they married her, got a job, and had a deferment. You say they did it to dodge the draft. Twist and turn.

            You don't hate DJT because he wasn't drafted for whatever reason. You hate every rich young man that won life's lottery and was born with a silver spoon. You hate him because he took whatever he did get from his family and became extremely successful. You hate him for what he has accomplished. You seem to think that if DJT had been like some of the Busch beer sons and squandered their millions well that's OK, that's what happens. You seem to think that just because somebody is very rich (you would say filthy rich) they took that money from you and others. God's honest answer to that is, "No, you would have had the same outcome in your life if no Trump, no Rockefeller, no Buffet, no Carnegie, no Gates, no Ellison, and, and/or no Steve Jobs, or David Koch, had ever existed. And, to the best of my knowledge, none of those people were drafted.

            Nope you don't hate Trump because he wasn't drafted, you don't hate him for anything he has actually done... you hate him and others because of petty jealousy, and envy. You are on the dark side of life... period... End of story.
            Last edited by RED; 05-07-2018, 06:50.

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            • Roadkingtrax
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2010
              • 7835

              #21
              What Trump has done;

              Disparaged McCain's POW experience without having had ever served in the military in any capacity during an armed conflict. So, he's simply full of sh-t in that regard.

              Stay on topic Red, you're so far in the weeds even a Hillary comment cant save you.
              "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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              • togor
                Banned
                • Nov 2009
                • 17610

                #22
                DJT as the all-American boy? Whatever fun-house you're stuck in, I hope they have a john. Sid would say you're projecting, that you've created this idealized version of Trump that will sustain you as the real one runs into trouble.

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                • milboltnut
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 432

                  #23
                  I guess at this point who cares what he said.... it's what he's doing that matters.

                  Give it up boys
                  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

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                  • Dolt
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 543

                    #24
                    Originally posted by RED
                    Yep anybody that got captured and survived is a much greater hero than the low life guys like Audie Murphy, Alvin York, and Garland Conner. Had they been breaking the rules and goofing around resulting in their capture... then they would have been be real heroes like McCain. The number one thing that should bring you fame and honor is being captured or surrendering.
                    I agree completely. Being captured does not make you a hero. The word hero is thrown around entirely too much in this country. John McCain was not a hero. He was a survivor, a tough sob and also a crook.....but not a hero.
                    Read, think, UNDERSTAND, comment

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                    • leftyo

                      #25
                      besides all the squabbling here, if mcpain doesnt want trump at his funeral, thats his choice for his reasons.

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                      • Art
                        Senior Member, Deceased
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 9256

                        #26
                        Originally posted by leftyo
                        besides all the squabbling here, if mcpain doesnt want trump at his funeral, thats his choice for his reasons.
                        Amen to that!!!

                        John McCain is dying of an aggressive brain tumor. I've seen this and it alters judgment, people with end stage brain tumors sometimes say things they wouldn't say otherwise. That's one thing.

                        Donald Trump said some really nasty things about a lot of people on a very personal level in the process of getting elected. That's another thing. It was his decision, and it worked, but - as a result a lot of those people, understandably, have really hard feelings. I was glad he wasn't hypocritical enough to show up at Barbara Bush's funeral but sent his wife. It was the right thing to do. Who here would show up at the funeral of a person who they knew actively disliked them? I can't get upset over this. It's a personal issue between these people.
                        Last edited by Art; 05-07-2018, 06:56.

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                        • S.A. Boggs
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 8568

                          #27
                          What does the family want should be the main consideration for all. Funerals are for the living, not the dead. IMHO anything coming out should be measured with a grain of salt considering the arrangements. Having had cancer and under medication, rational thought is not always available. I am thankful that my wife and daughter were/are there to take care of me. Right now I tire easily and my daughter will take my truck keys, like yesterday, and drive me where I need to go as an act of love which I greatly accept. Regardless of my personal feelings regarding politics, I admire the man John McCain for his service to his country. Every time he put on his uniform he was not sure how his day would end. Would he come back to his ship or not enough to put in a pint bottle? God's speed John for your last launching into the Heavens.
                          Sam

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                          • Allen
                            Moderator
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 10583

                            #28
                            A liberal democrat all the way to the end. Sure, his decision, but when you are in the lime light and a paid servant to the voters you don't sht on them and the president of your alleged party. He is not hurting Trump since Trump would probably not attend anyway due to Pence being there but instead he is advertising the corrupt establishment GOP that are RINO's. Trump has said harsh things to McCain in the past but should have said much more due to McCain's resistance and voting with the democrat's on EVERY issue. Just like John Glen, JFK and his father, the Bushes and others I can appreciate their military duty and sacrifices they made to America but no one asked them to get involved with politics, all of which they failed miserably at.

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                            • Clark Howard
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 2105

                              #29
                              There are many people who know John McCain well who will not attend his funeral. Regards, Clark

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                              • m1ashooter
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2011
                                • 3220

                                #30
                                Did anyone ever think that Trump doesn't even want to attend McCains funeral? It kinda sounds like he is planning his funeral like he is a head of state. So he is inviting former presidents to attend his service! Gee thanks Senator for the added expense to the taxpayers for the logistical and security expenses to support and protect two former presidents to attend your funeral.
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