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Sorry Sam but togor's answer was very left wing and and extremely political.
Remember this country has 3 separate and equal branches. Executive, Judicial, and Legislative... Since the State Department is part of the Executive arm and not the Legislative, how can the Congress "tie the hands," of the State Department? By doing so they would then place the Executive branch in a subordinate role.Well it's a question of laws. Does Congress tie the hands of the State Department as regards to who they talk to/support among competing factions in foreign countries? Afghanistan and Iraq today!
Totally irrelevant. A unlawful act is still illegal be it open or covert. It has just been revealed that the FBI placed a undercover, secret operative, inside the Trump campaign for the sole reason of keeping the Clinton campaign informed of plans and strategies and not for the purpose of investigating a non existent crime.The other aspect is whether the engagement is in the open or covert.
Hello, and who do you think should judge what a "serious attempt," is? It looks to me like the non political togor is the one that wants to make that decision. Not you, not me, not the U.S. Supreme court nor the President. of the USA.For me personally, covert intrusion into the election processes of another country, especially when they are making a serious attempt at fair elections, should be illegal by our laws both ways.
The Shah was the son of the previous Shah and succeeded him in power. He was the legitimate Iranian leader until Carter threw him under the bus. And that is how we got Khomeini. BTW, Yes, the Shah murdered dozens of his country men. Khomeini murdered millions of Iraqi's and Aryans as well.I am told Iran is on our list of countries where we want to see regime change. That's how they got the Shah
Ask a Persian anything and they will tell you exactly what the Mullah's tell them to say or they will lose their head.Ask a Persian and he'll tell you they are very conscious of this fact. One can state a preference but do it in the open and let the Persians choose.
"Non political." is nowhere in the Stooges languages.Last edited by RED; 05-10-2018, 03:06.Comment
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that's their business...until they try to tell me what to say and try to take my head......then it's my business.Ask a Persian anything and they will tell you exactly what the Mullah's tell them to say or they will lose their head.For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.Comment
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Red, honor Sam's request...or you'll be doing genuine harm to an otherwise productive discourse.
To suggest there is any divide amongst the group here so wide as to not find commonality and friendly regard to each others position, is simply inputting your prejudice at the start.
In other words, leave your Trump/Clinton BS at the door or just bite your lip.Last edited by Roadkingtrax; 05-10-2018, 03:40."The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. UllmanComment
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I think the first paragraph of my earlier is clear enough but obviously Congress controls the purse. And Congress is supposed to declare war. And we allow for extra-territorial apprehension of people who have broken laws passed by our Congress.
The rest of it I think is also pretty straightforward.Last edited by togor; 05-10-2018, 04:17.Comment
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You are right, Congress does have the power to declare war. Was the resolution on the Gulf of Tonkin an act of war not authorized by a full act of Congress? What about FDR ordering the Navy to hunt U-boats? 9/11 where we were attacked by individuals yet we went into Afghanistan, a sovereign country. Are there new rules of warfare in play now such as you attack us we come after you ala our incursion into 1916 Mexico after bandits who attacked American citizens on American soil. It is so clear now as to be murky yet we have to do something to defend our self. In self defense do we kill those who practice a religion or those who use the religion to kill anyone who disagrees with them. ANY ONE KNOW????
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And when was the last time Congress cut the State Department's budget. Answer... never! Clinton cut it in 1996 and Trump just recently scaled back it's budget. In fact, since WWII, Congress has NEVER cut it's budget for any reason let alone in the attempt to force the Department to do or not do anything. So tell us again how Congress controls the purse...I think the first paragraph of my earlier is clear enough but obviously Congress controls the purse.Last edited by RED; 05-10-2018, 05:59.Comment
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in case you guys don't know how our gov't works....
maybe we should forget about the rest of the world unless it threatens us.Last edited by milboltnut; 05-11-2018, 01:51.For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.Comment
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That would be a sound idea, how can one go about doing that?in case you guys don't know how our gov't works....
maybe we should forget about the rest of the world unless it threatens us.
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how did Trump have those detainees released from North Korea without a fight?For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.Comment
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To use power one must have an understanding and experience using it. Let someone who has had neither is to open the door to disaster. Regardless of what one thinks of the Presidents abilities, power he does understand...the power to project. Trump wanted something from North Korea and did many negative things, then did a 180 to achieve them. I have seen good lawyers in court do the same thing in questioning. The two Korean leaders have met in person, out people are back on American soil and a meeting is in the plans to go forward together. One bargains from a position of strength, not weakness.
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Normally NK would not give up any detainees but since NK's underground nuclear site has collapsed and bad haircut Kim has seen Trump take actions in Syria and Afghanistan he no doubt feels he is not as invincible as he thought. W/O the nuke threat he doesn't have much bargaining power now. The U.S. has war ships in the area and are ready to strike. Also Kim wants sanctions lifted. He has an upcoming sit down meeting coming up with Trump so all the better for him to release the prisoners now to put on a good show.Comment
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