Why are Simple Solutions never considered ? ...

[Jiminvirginia]

Classic. You must love the concept of gun control because if you take away the guns its all cartoon blubirds and butterflies. Hey that would be the "simple" solution right? Except it doesn't work. The question is what the f### is wrong today? This stuff didn't seem to happen 30 to 50 years ago.

[aintright]

Over time I have heard some good solutions , trouble is , there is a lawyer or organization around every corner waiting to shoot it down with a law suit . Then there are kids and parents who will balk at the solutions and some one will have to take a stand and strong arm the situation . Good luck finding that person who will be willing to stand the onslaught .
I know we got due process , but when you got somebody who comes in a public place and carries out these atrocities in front of a school full of witnesses and cameras , I have to question that person deserving a trial . What is there to have a trial about ? Taking the person right then and there and publicly executing them , would that make a difference ? But again , even if it did , getting the people behind it and stopping the stupid ass lawyers from capitalizing on it would be a magic trick in itself .
Just more thoughts that have a pile of stumbling blocks .
Kenneth

[Jiminvirginia]

See what I mean. Too simple for Jimmy who thinks the solution
has to be complicated otherwise it can't possibly work.

Apparently you haven't been to a high school lately. It is a bustling place with people coming and going constantly. Athletes to events at other schools and returning, science classes going on field trips and back, Parents checking up on a kid's welfare, vendors for food, vending machines, janitorial supplies, service people repairing everything from toilets to computers. Simply penning up the students and staff like felons in a prison, won't work. You cannot find a prison (even a hard core prison like Pelican Island) where weapons, drugs, cell phones, and other contraband are not in the hands of the prisoners.

16, 17, 18, year old's are no longer little children. They are cunning, smart, and devious people capable of intricate planning and execution. They have money, time, and the freedom to do things their parents don't know about nor would comprehend. "Little Joey tortured and killed a kitty cat just to hear it squeal? No way!!! Our lovely little Joey, he's such a sweet child."


There were no school shootings back in the days that both teachers and students took guns to school. Even if there had been nobody would know about it because the perps weren't made into rock stars by the media. Today if a kid that can't sing or dance, doesn't have the physical ability be a sports star, but thinks it would be a great thing to be a famous person and be remembered long after he is dead, all he has to do is take a gun to school and kill some people. The left and the media will gladly make the kid more famous than Elvis, at least for a while. And yes, I do believe that the left does hope and pray we have more and more mass shootings... it is about the only thing they have left that will get them votes.

All well said RED.

[togor]

Well however we got here, we're here. Right now there are unknown numbers of teens pretty much going tick, tick, tick. Only a matter of time before another goes off. Then another, and another.

Absurd thought yesterday. Post office had a rash of workplace shootings years ago, such that the phrase "going postal" entered the lexicon. We don't hear about post office shootings anymore. Maybe we put postal workers in the schools? As I said, absurd thought.

[Jiminvirginia]

See what I mean. Too simple for Jimmy who thinks the solution
has to be complicated otherwise it can't possibly work.

Well however we got here, we're here. Right now there are unknown numbers of teens pretty much going tick, tick, tick. Only a matter of time before another goes off. Then another, and another.

Absurd thought yesterday. Post office had a rash of workplace shootings years ago, such that the phrase "going postal" entered the lexicon. We don't hear about post office shootings anymore. Maybe we put postal workers in the schools? As I said, absurd thought.

Kind of a good analogy Togor. There are no metal detectors, armed guards, mandatory searches, etc. at any of my local post offices. Yet I have not heard of a postal related shooting in quite awhile. BTW I think the facts are that the post office actually had a lower rate of workplace violence than other businesses. So did something change there? Was their "simple solution"to put up a no guns allowed here sign?

[dobek]

You can’t simple solution this. It happened over a period of decades - it won’t be solved overnight.

Here are my thoughts

Get the extreme violence out of video games - the blood - gore - and points for killing need to be gone.

Stop rewarding crack head parents with money - children learn from parents - the parents need to be there setting an example. My wife is a teacher and her saying is “we have damaged people raising damaged children”

Get children outdoors unsupervised. Yep unsupervised. How many of us grew up outside all day on a Saturday and our mom had no idea where we were - just be within yelling distance when the street lights come on. Kids need to interact and learn. They learn other kids can be mean - they learn to handle confrontations with a punch to the nose and a handshake - they need to learn being stupid hurts - they learn to rely on friends - they learn how to imagine and innovate.

Teach children how to lose - we ALL fail over and over and over - each failure is a lesson - learn the proper way to handle it

Teach children their actions have consequences. Screw up and take your punishment - kid screws up today and everyone either ignores it - blames someone else - or sues. Teachers need to be able to punish and parents need to backup the teacher.

And lastly - STOP drugging children. I bet over 30% of kids today are on some mind altering drug because of behavior problems.

So - locks and guards are treating the symptom - we need to treat the source.

Unfortunately I am pessimistic and don’t see society getting any better. I keep waiting for the pendulum to swing back - but ain’t seeing it.

Steve

[dave]

Some schools to-day have a thousand and more students, one door would not work, several would be required. But when we spend millions to Planned Parenthood so they can kill babies and fund Demo Pols. campaigns, we can get the money there!

[togor]

Teach children their actions have consequences. Screw up and take your punishment - kid screws up today and everyone either ignores it - blames someone else - or sues. Teachers need to be able to punish and parents need to backup the teacher.

How about consequences for the parents of these kids? The proximal cause of school shootings is kids have easy access to firearms at home. They're not bringing replica swords or wasp spray to school to cause mayhem.

Let's not call it a gun problem because lots of people own guns and don't do this. But by the same token, lots of kids take meds and don't do this stuff. Same with video gamers. I don't like bombing kids with pills or seeing them zone out in front of FPS games, but just because I don't like these things doesn't mean they're responsible for these bad outcomes.

The logical place to start, outside the school building, is with the fact that wrong kids have easy physical access to guns. That failure falls primarily on the parents. Some family units don't get it done right.

[S.A. Boggs]

Well however we got here, we're here. Right now there are unknown numbers of teens pretty much going tick, tick, tick. Only a matter of time before another goes off. Then another, and another.

Absurd thought yesterday. Post office had a rash of workplace shootings years ago, such that the phrase "going postal" entered the lexicon. We don't hear about post office shootings anymore. Maybe we put postal workers in the schools? As I said, absurd thought.

Part of the reason was the chemical makeup of the postal workers and the anti-psychotropic medications that the client was prescribed. Stress induced the need for the person to be medicated and was either over medicated [common] or the wrong medication which changed the thought process. Are these shooters on ANY medication that was mind altering in some way? Nothing has been said about their medical issues, just what was used. Working with psychiatric individuals I wondered if meds coupled with societal pressure could have led to the "need" to retaliate? What one must do is to avoid a rush to judgement, let our emotions led and "do something" that most likely be wrong.
Sam

[dobek]

How about consequences for the parents of these kids? The proximal cause of school shootings is kids have easy access to firearms at home.

I call BS

I bet everyone of us here grew up with easy access to a gun. I bought my safe to protect from theft - not keep away from my kids.

You are partially right though - I taught my children about guns and the first lesson is - responsibility -

My son got in two fights in school. He never ran home and grabbed a gun.

It it takes involved parents

Have you seen some of these action games - points for drive by shootings - get to see people’s heads explode -

Not a lot of Hollywood movies made without glorifying killing and running.

We played war and cowboys and Indians - but we never played “shoot them then walk up and execute them.”

Easy access to guns isn’t the problem.

Steve

[togor]

Easy access to guns isn’t the problem.

Without easy access to guns these shootings don't happen. I describe that as a proximal cause and I am 100% correct. If you want to look to 1000 other more distant causes and say that you'd rather see the problem tackled there, then fine, go ahead. But doesn't change the fact that unarmed kids don't shoot up schools.

And to the parents of the dead kids or near misses, that fact is pretty clear cut. They can see it but you can't?

[Allen]

I bet everyone of us here grew up with easy access to a gun.

I certainly did. At age 4 and no doubt younger I would stay at my Grandparents house while my mother went to work. I kept no toys there but played with my Grandfathers 1917 Colt New Service and a cigar box full of assorted 45acp ammo with the half moon clips. I would load the gun and unload it over and over while watching Captain Kangaroo. I never shot it at that age nor intended to and I knew what would make it fire off if desired. No one taught me any safety, it just came naturally with a little common sense. At home, my Dad taught me to shoot a 22LR at about age 6 or so. I did the same with my kids but they didn't have much interest in it then.

Fights at school, road rage, arguments with people, no, I never thought about coming home grabbing a gun and shooting a bunch of my fellow school classmates that had nothing to do with anything. Some people just "snap" w/o warning. Back when I went to grade school everyone knew one another. The last thing we would have wanted would be to injure or kill each other. Now the schools are overcrowded and we are building new ones as fast as we can. People don't know one another any more. Many don't even know their neighbors due to our throw away society. People are constantly moving in and moving out. It's gotten where there is no such term as "locals" anymore.

I don't think there is a simple solution as I feel most every problem we have in this world is due to overpopulation but in America we should at least get firm on crime like we used to starting with the judge's themselves. They should be held personally accountable for their actions when not making sentence's stick. You can kill someone in cold blood, get sentenced for 30 years and be back on the streets again in 7 years. Why? If a person knew they would have to do the "time" they probably wouldn't commit the crime. With all these extra people now our laws should be stricter, not more lenient.

[togor]

Fights at school, road rage, arguments with people, no, I never thought about coming home grabbing a gun and shooting a bunch of my fellow school classmates that had nothing to do with anything.

Perhaps not, but you have posted that maybe the thing we need to do at the southern border is just start shooting unarmed people as they approach the wire. You're not the only one who has said something like that, but I'll take it that you see yourself as someone who means what they say and consequently are sincere in your belief that this is a good idea. In the end it kind of amounts to the same thing as what goes on in the schools--someone with a firearm shooting at people without one because it makes them somehow feel better about the world. I start to wonder how many of these shooters come from households like yours.

[Vern Humphrey]

Pebbles you must stand in front of your mirror arguing with yourself as to who the best looking is.
Sam

Do mirrors show his image?

[Fred Pillot]

If you want to make a Liberals head spin, just start spouting stuff like this.

We need reasonable limitations on the 1st Amendment. It should be illegal for the media to report on these shootings because these events put ideas in the minds of the shooters(copycats). If they are not reported on, then the bullied kids won't get the urge to shoot their classmates. We already have reasonable limitations on the 2nd Amendment. Limitations on the 1st could only help the situation.