Why are Simple Solutions never considered ? ...

[S.A. Boggs]

If you want to make a Liberals head spin, just start spouting stuff like this.

We need reasonable limitations on the 1st Amendment. It should be illegal for the media to report on these shootings because these events put ideas in the minds of the shooters(copycats). If they are not reported on, then the bullied kids won't get the urge to shoot their classmates. We already have reasonable limitations on the 2nd Amendment. Limitations on the 1st could only help the situation.

Fred has a good idea, make it illegal to file biased or half truths. No sale to anyone under the age of 25 and then only with a certificate from their psychiatrist.
Sam

[dobek]

Without easy access to guns these shootings don't happen. I describe that as a proximal cause and I am 100% correct. If you want to look to 1000 other more distant causes and say that you'd rather see the problem tackled there, then fine, go ahead. But doesn't change the fact that unarmed kids don't shoot up schools.

And to the parents of the dead kids or near misses, that fact is pretty clear cut. They can see it but you can't?

Maybe it's easy access to schools? Maybe it's easy access to transportation to schools? Maybe it's easy access to movement (let's straight jacket them until they are 21)?

It HAS TO BE easy access to guns - why? Because you say so - 100% correct....

I am so glad to have you correct us all - don't forget we will need to do something about the easy access to vans (you know the ones mowing pedestrians down), and acid (thrown on people), and knives (lot's of those got misused recently), and pressure cookers ----

Because blaming the tool will certainly change the behavior.

Gosh I hope I can someday be 100% correct....

Steve

[Allen]

London is experiencing easy access to knives. Of course they also have easy access to countless illegals and refugees along with a muslim mayor to guide their way but all they can see are those evil knives lurking in every drawer in every kitchen in the world just waiting for the chance to KILL.

Paris is experiencing easy access to NO guns so they are just sitting ducks waiting to be shot by someone who doesn't go by the laws. The same for banks. The same for schools. Time to lock and load or just shut up if you don't care any more of yourself and loved ones than to defend yourself and them.

[S.A. Boggs]

"Easy access" IMHO is a cop out on reality and the new code word for freedom restriction. American's have easy access to just about everything and expect it. Can you imagine the outrage if knives were placed in the same category as firearms with the same paperwork? People are demanding easy access to safety when there is none and has never been. Life is fraught with dangers we just don't realize it or have accepted it. How many people choke to death each year in the simple act of taking in nourishment, yet if you don't eat you die. If a shooter would use a gasoline bomb in place of firearms will that make people want to regulate gasoline?
Sam

[togor]

Cop out or just a recognition of reality? Is there anything you wouldn't give your grandkids easy access to? Anything at all, at any age? Some messes we don't want to have to clean up, right? Restriction on freedom? Absolutely! Are all such restrictions bad?

[S.A. Boggs]

Cop out or just a recognition of reality? Is there anything you wouldn't give your grandkids easy access to? Anything at all, at any age? Some messes we don't want to have to clean up, right? Restriction on freedom? Absolutely! Are all such restrictions bad?

Children are curious by their nature, remove the curiosity. Each child is different in age learning ability, ours was. I took a different approach on teaching our children on how to use some tools. How do you teach a child how to use a sharp knife, what "hot" is, so forth. As to easy access, that depends on the ability of the child. Some adult children shouldn't have access to a cell phone, I see this close to the college campus. Togor, @ what age should a child have access to a computer game? Studies show that children who use as opposed to not have a < social ability to interact positively and have other learning disabilities. I wish I could remember the name of the study that this comes from, but the name eludes me.
Sam

[togor]

So the question...is it an unreasonable restriction on a minor for them to not have unsupervised access to firearms? Supervision can mean a lot of things but lets assume that the Texas shooter did not ask his dad for permission that morning, that he just took the guns on his own. If we're going to heavily invest in the family unit as the bedrock of society, and go to great lengths to sentimentalize this idea, including saying that only families with one mommy and one daddy each qualify, then shouldn't we also establish some expectations for how that family performs? Obviously this family came up short and other families pay the heavy price. Maybe I'm a natural contrarian, but when I hear people talk about their rights, I'd like them to give equal time to a discussion about their obligations, and 2A is a great topic for that in my opinion.

[S.A. Boggs]

So the question...is it an unreasonable restriction on a minor for them to not have unsupervised access to firearms? Supervision can mean a lot of things but lets assume that the Texas shooter did not ask his dad for permission that morning, that he just took the guns on his own. If we're going to heavily invest in the family unit as the bedrock of society, and go to great lengths to sentimentalize this idea, including saying that only families with one mommy and one daddy each qualify, then shouldn't we also establish some expectations for how that family performs? Obviously this family came up short and other families pay the heavy price. Maybe I'm a natural contrarian, but when I hear people talk about their rights, I'd like them to give equal time to a discussion about their obligations, and 2A is a great topic for that in my opinion.

Togor my friend, you are beginning to interest me more and that is not good. I have always thought that a person must be responsible to have a right. Every year our area see's "children" just out of high school go drinking and drugging. Many end up before a judge and a few of those in prison. There are already laws on the books in many states that the parents are responsible for the child's actions. 10 years ago a "good" boy was with some of his friends when one of to them placed some fireworks into the slot for books at the library and caught the building/contents on fire. The boy is now 26 and his parents are still paying back the boys damage share to the insurance company. If and this is a big if, parents are held financially/criminally responsible then perhaps some of this might not happen. Inner city kid does something and goes to jail, parents get the same sentence. Single parent, your child your responsibility and yes, go after the "father" unless he is already in lockup. My parents had a simple thing with us, "You get in trouble in school and get double at home!" My parents knew how to administer the board of education to the seat of learning and no excuses. As I told our kids, "Your butt is what you sit on!" end of story!
Sam

[togor]

And Sam we both raised good kids who aren't a burden on society in part because they didn't grow up thinking everything is about satisfying their wants and desires and grievances, and because they understand that with freedom comes responsibility, and that while they can make their case about where the line ought to be, they accept the idea that there is a line beyond which the answer is a firm "no". Each of my kids explored that boundary in their own way, but all of them came to understand that it is there, and it is not their enemy.