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  • Jiminvirginia
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2013
    • 972

    #31
    RED - my "hunk of junk" statement was based on my personal knowledge of two Generacs. One is mine the other my neighbor. I have the 15kw gasoline, his is the propane autostart also about 15kw. During the derecho a couple of years ago we lost power for 11 days. Both generacs began to fail about halfway through. Overspeed then shutdown.
    The neighbor had 5 service techs come in. Finally figured out it was the stepper motor. I think his is fixed now but I have not heard in run in quite awhile. I suspect my stepper motor is bad also. Not a cheap part.
    I would start and run mine at least once per month for about 30 minutes. One day I go out to run it. Starts then stops. Check the oil. Not only overfull, but it has the consistency of kerosene. The entire gas tank drained into the oil sump because a valve spring retainer snapped in half and the valve stuck open. Never seen that before.
    Also on mine, major plastic parts basically disintegrate. Metal fasteners strip threads with almost no torque applied. Did some research and at least the newer generacs seem to have issues. Live and learn. It sounds like you got a good one RED so you should be ok. Personally, no more generacs for me.

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    • togor
      Banned
      • Nov 2009
      • 17610

      #32
      Geeze my Coleman has a couple of plastic wheels on it for dragging it into place and a pretty cheap outlet box for my suicide cord, and a pull starter on it, but it always reports for duty. A fuel shutoff valve is a must--can't trust carburator floats for nothing. One very cold Christmas morning some years ago, someone nailed a power pole on the state highway. Turkey is in the oven and we're all getting ready for Church. So I have to pull this generator out with its 9HP Briggs one-cylinder engine (OHV, Jap-made, actually pretty good unit) into the driveway, and start yanking away. That's when I realized that a 120VAC inverter running off of a 12V car battery would be really handy, to run my kerosene tube heater to bootstrap some heat into the generator. I kept pulling and eventually the unit caught and I got a shower and the bird in the oven got done on time. LP oven but with an electric igniter. I never did get or make that inverter, but we haven't had a repeat of a cold weather outage like that. Most I've had to run it was about a day and a half after some straight line winds out of the north took out a bunch of local lines to downed trees.

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      • lyman
        Administrator - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 11268

        #33
        Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
        A Survival Story – By Vern Humphrey

        On Tuesday, February 5th, 2008, Super Tuesday, I was stationed in the Stone County Clerk's office in Mountain View, Arkansas. I am a County Election Commissioner, and my duty was to supervise the primary election. My wife is Assistant Director of Nursing at the local nursing home.

        We had warnings of storms and tornadoes. Late in the afternoon, we heard that the town of Clinton, about 25 miles to the southwest, had been hit by a tornado. Then we heard other towns, closer to us had been hit. At 6:00 PM I directed poll workers to lock down the precincts and evacuate, and to return after the storm had passed.

        At 6:30 PM, the tornado tore through the eastern part Mountain View. All the electric power in the county went out. Cell phone signals were lost. We retained landline communication with most of the county, but could not make long distance calls, nor could we contact the eastern section of the county. The county hospital was hit, only the operating room remaining intact. Patients were evacuated to the nursing home. Roads were blocked for days with fallen power lines, debris, and so on.

        I won't bore you with how we had to recover ballot boxes and voting machines -- but it took seven days to collect everything and get certifiable results. In the meantime, the county was cut off, with no power. This tornado tore a half mile to a mile wide swath through the state, 123 miles long!

        My wife and I put our personal survival plan into effect, moving into our basement, heating with a wood stove, cooking on a Coleman stove, lighting it with a Coleman lantern. We survived in comfort until the power went back on at 4:00 PM on Monday, the 11th. This is hardly the first time we have put our survival plan into action -- the county has had two tornadoes and two ice storms in the last 12 years.

        Here are some tips:

        Make a plan -- a realistic plan.

        • Start with a realistic situation based on actual likely risk factors where you live. Here it is ice storms and tornadoes. They have two similarities -- long term loss of power, and physical isolation (due to trees and power lines down on the roads.)

        • Develop an outline plan -- this plan, sometimes called a "Long Term Plan" is a statement of what you plan to accomplish.

        • Resource the plan. Acquire the things you will need. If you cannot afford some things now, plan to acquire them later. This is sometimes called a "Mid Term Plan."

        • Execute the plan -- the execution plan is the "Short Range Plan." Don't wait for a tornado or earthquake -- take some vacation time and put your plan into action. If you plan to walk from Atlanta, Georgia to Nantahala carrying your gun safe and Dillon 550B reloader, you might want to try that before the disaster strikes.

        • Evaluate your execution. Make notes of what worked and what didn't work. Make a list of the things you wish you had, and plan to acquire them.

        Stress the elements of survival. I won't list them in any particular order, because one element may be critical in one situation, but not in another.

        • Shelter. This is where you will live. You may have to live there for days, weeks, months, or even a year or more. A cave or tarp under a tree is not a satisfactory long term shelter. My shelter is my basement -- fully finished, with reinforced concrete walls, two steel girders running the width of the house, and two exits -- basement stairs and double doors to outside. It is furnished with a hide-a-bed sofa, and there is an 8X12 "machine room" where the HVAC, water heater, and so on reside. There is room enough for a large gun safe, a freezer, shelves containing canned goods, batteries, etc.

        • Food. We have enough canned goods to last us a month in the "machine room."

        • Water. We are on a rural water system, so no need for a pump. We also keep a gallon of bleach in the machine room so as to be able to purify creek water if needed.

        • Heat. The temperature was in the 'teens this time. The basement stays at 55 degrees year-round, so the wood stove was adequate. This is characteristic of underground shelters, and makes them especially desirable.

        • Power. We keep a 1.35 KW generator in the machine room, take it outside and run it to keep the freezer from thawing.

        • Light. My wife and I have flashlights everywhere -- in the truck, in the car, in the bedside tables, in the machine room. We also stock candles, oil lamps, Coleman fuel (2 gallons) in there. Our Dual Fuel Coleman lantern will burn regular gas, too.

        • Cooking. We keep a Coleman Dual Fuel camp stove in the machine room.

        • Communications. We keep a hand-cranked radio. We may add a transmitter-receiver after this experience. Fortunately, telephone service (at least within the county) has never failed us.

        • Sanitation. We have a half-bath in the basement, and with gravity water and a stove to heat it, we were able to keep clean. However, not everyone was so fortunate, as I noticed when working closely with others during the emergency.

        • Transportation. We have 4X4s, and keep 10 gallons of gas in cans in our outside shed. We also have tire chains.

        • Tools. Forget "survival tools." The most important tool is a chain saw. During the last ice storm, we had to cut about 20 trees that had broken or bent over blocking our 1/4-mile drive. We had a couple on the 0.6 mile common road, too.

        • Protection. I am always armed (except in polling places -- dang it!). I keep firearms spotted in the house where I can get to them quickly, as well. Of course, our isolation (3 1/2 miles down the county road, 0.6 miles down the common road, and a quarter mile down our drive) also offers protection.

        • Community. We worked together to help save and provide necessities to our neighbors. They would do the same for us, if needed.

        great write up,

        we lost power from a hurricane (Isabel) for 14 days,
        had a small generator, but it would not run the pump or septic,

        fortunately, we had family close by that had county water, so no real issue,


        and spot on about survival tools, my short driveway (200') was blocked by trees, had to cut out the driveway, and out the neighborhood,
        a chainsaw (add sharpener, fuel and oil) saved the day for us,

        fortunately nothing hit the house,

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