Is Rudy Giuliani a Help or a Hindrance ? ...

[dogtag]

I thought early on he was a help.
Now I think he's more of a hindrance.
Trump seems to have a lot of people around him
who say stupid things. They go on liberal and Trump
hating TV Shows with hosts like Steponallofus who
ask trap like questions. They never learn.
The President has enough on his plate without the
likes of Rudy adding to it.

[Sandpebble]

At least he hasn't yet laid claim to the use of alternative facts

[togor]

Great question, DT. Suppose HRC got elected. Seems a safe bet that she would be in hot water over the emails and stuff with the GOP Congress, yes? Now suppose she hires someone like Giuliani to say these same things as Rudy is now. Holy Smokes, can you imagine the uproar in Conservative media? For that reason I'll say he isn't helping DJT.

[RED]

I thought early on he was a help.
Now I think he's more of a hindrance.
Trump seems to have a lot of people around him
who say stupid things. They go on liberal and Trump
hating TV Shows with hosts like Steponallofus who
ask trap like questions. They never learn.
The President has enough on his plate without the
likes of Rudy adding to it.

It doesn't matter what Trump says or does and it doesn't matter what Guilano says or does... the press and togor will lie and twist and turn the words inside out. I happened to be in a car hitching a ride to pick up my Ford at the shop and the guy had the radio on and they were reporting that Guilano said, "It does not matter if Trump shot Comey while in the oval office... Trump could not be indicted or punished." All he did was quote the Constirution and said Trump could be impeached then indicted. They twisted what Rudy said, just like togor twists and lies about anything conservative or pro American people say. His only intention is to hurt, and divide no matter how big a lie it takes... he is as radical as ISIS or worse.

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Seems a safe bet that she would be in hot water over the emails and stuff with the GOP Congress,

Another lie... there is a Republican Congress and nobody is even talking about the thousands of felonies Clinton and her husband committed.

[togor]

Reminder Red that DT doesn't like it when people hijack his threads. But since you brought it up....you know how we can tell that Trump is in some sh*t? At least Obstruction, but maybe some other stuff too from before? He's erected not one but two lines of defense. The first is the usual white collar crook's argument when they have the goods on you--"hey the cops weren't supposed to see that, no fair". But then Trump backs it up with the POTUS special--"I can pardon anyone, including myself". And then, almost after-the-fact, they toss in a "but hey this is all academic because we didn't do anything". Like they almost forgot to say they were innocent! They know what Mueller has, and even if Mueller isn't talking, they are. Try to preempt the bad news with some excuses for the base. Red, they sure look like crooks. If you want to go down with them to the bitter end, fine by me.

[JB White]

the POTUS special--"I can pardon anyone, including myself".

Isn't that how Bill and Janet covered their butts at Waco, Ruby Ridge....

[dogtag]

Obstruction of justice is a charge that cannot be brought
against a sitting President - (or one standing up for that matter).
Togor, you should cease getting legal lessons from your Auntie.

[togor]

Obstruction of justice is a charge that cannot be brought
against a sitting President - (or one standing up for that matter).
Togor, you should cease getting legal lessons from your Auntie.

DT I think you checked the wrong target. Wrongdoing can be investigated whether it leads to indictment or not. Whether or not a sitting president can be indicted is a matter of legal debate, and anyways that protection extends to one man, not his boys, and for Trump himself it just means that a political remedy would be employed as opposed to a criminal one. The thing is, for as many "Rudy things" as Giuliani is saying, it sure sounds like they did some sh*t and are building a defense in the arena of public opinion in anticipation of it coming out. Gotta keep the base believing, you know! Rudy is now swearing to God that the shifting Trump tower stories are just honest mistakes. As if! But I think you're onto something with Rudy. If he says enough crazy stuff then eventually it may be enough even for you.

[S.A. Boggs]

DT I think you checked the wrong target. Wrongdoing can be investigated whether it leads to indictment or not. Whether or not a sitting president can be indicted is a matter of legal debate, and anyways that protection extends to one man, not his boys, and for Trump himself it just means that a political remedy would be employed as opposed to a criminal one. The thing is, for as many "Rudy things" as Giuliani is saying, it sure sounds like they did some sh*t and are building a defense in the arena of public opinion in anticipation of it coming out. Gotta keep the base believing, you know! Rudy is now swearing to God that the shifting Trump tower stories are just honest mistakes. As if! But I think you're onto something with Rudy. If he says enough crazy stuff then eventually it may be enough even for you.

Under the Constitution only Impeachment cannot be pardoned, therefore a President can pardon anyone including himself. Also, there is no review by the Supreme Court/Congress in granting a pardon.
Sam

[Allen]

Maybe obama, clinton and carter will pardon all their voters for being idiots/illiterate/stupid/dead/retards/muslims/foreigners/commies/traitors/brain dead/illegal's and wayyyyyy overdue for deportation.

[togor]

Maybe obama, clinton and carter will pardon all their voters for being idiots/illiterate/stupid/dead/retards/muslims/foreigners/commies/traitors/brain dead/illegal's and wayyyyyy overdue for deportation.

This from a man who earned a living selling people unneeded auto repairs. He's already marked for Hell, just wants to have company. Flaming eternity with Allen as a roommate. Ugh!

[RED]

DT I think you checked the wrong target. Wrongdoing can be investigated whether it leads to indictment or not. Whether or not a sitting president can be indicted is a matter of legal debate, and anyways that protection extends to one man, not his boys, and for Trump himself it just means that a political remedy would be employed as opposed to a criminal one. The thing is, for as many "Rudy things" as Giuliani is saying, it sure sounds like they did some sh*t and are building a defense in the arena of public opinion in anticipation of it coming out. Gotta keep the base believing, you know! Rudy is now swearing to God that the shifting Trump tower stories are just honest mistakes. As if! But I think you're onto something with Rudy. If he says enough crazy stuff then eventually it may be enough even for you.

"Wrongdoing,"??? According to who? YOU? According to you, if DJT draws another breath, that is "wrongdoing." You think you are God and the one that determines who and what are right and wrong. You are the most ridiculous, perverted, and insane jackass in the world. Tell us about Trump beating Melania? You know all about it... Did he use his fists or a baseball bat? Come on now share with us the intimate details...

[togor]

Wrongdoing according to the laws of the United States. You're so far down the rabbit hole that you've completely forgotten that once upon a time we were a nation of laws, not Presidential whims.

[S.A. Boggs]

Wrongdoing according to the laws of the United States. You're so far down the rabbit hole that you've completely forgotten that once upon a time we were a nation of laws, not Presidential whims.

Please define actual wrong doings.
Sam

[togor]

Mueller is looking at obstruction of justice and conspiracy under this statute.

https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-923-18-usc-371-conspiracy-defraud-us

That's what we glean from various reports. Mueller himself doesn't do press conferences. Some guilty pleas have been tendered, and Manafort has a cases against him of money laundering, tax fraud and possibly now witness tampering.

Seems like there is a little bit of wrongdoing to keep Bob M. busy.

People say "hey foreigners meddle, we do it too, what of it?" The answer is that if a political faction in this country is able to gain electoral advantage by harnessing the vast resources of a foreign state as a campaign financing "loophole", then that candidate is just another Muqtada al-Sadr, beholden to his foreign benefactor (in that case Iran). So if we value our right to self-determination as a sovereign people, we should be ready to cast onto the fire any of our own who conspired with foreigners for electoral advantage. It's a pretty mainstream idea, very Conservative, and sadly unavailable to Trumpists until they wake up from their fever dream.