Tariffs In The News

[togor]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...idterms-627528

Audis a national security threat? Eh, I can see that law getting changed a few years down the road.

There is a case to be made that no one is better than industrial labor unions at identifying and embracing rules that end up being short sighted and killing their own jobs, so it will be interesting to see where the auto workers unions come down on this. The steelworkers love this stuff, but well that figures. Their owners are going to take the profits and put them into more automation anyways.

[S.A. Boggs]

Togor, unfortunately I do not see your thought pattern on this. If foreign auto's are more expensive then American made wouldn't that make a person desire to buy the American? My Dad hauled cars out of Toledo/Detroit including the VW that came straight off the dock liked the American cars more. As to automation, that is coming as a "cost saving" measure unfortunately. People demand more money/benefits, robots will come into more use as there is only so much profit in a product. Fast food workers demanding $15.00 an hour, McDonalds now placing ordering kiosks in the stores. Won't need so many order takers, another is developing a machine that does all of the hamburger cooking/prep so less humans needed there as a cost/labor saver. Aldi's has had a method of cart return for many years eliminating the cart pushers, Wal-Mart/Kroger's going to self checkout as a cost cutter.
Sam

[togor]

People drive Toyotas or VWs or Audis because they think it is a better car. They're already more expensive than the GM or FCA car in the same class. Ford just builds trucks and SUVs now, doesn't even try to compete on cars. Throwing up a wall of protection against them won't help GM or Ford. And some of those brands have US assembly plants that will use imported components. FCA exports Jeeps to Europe and Asia. Think the duties on those can't go up? Eventually the end result is higher tariffs everywhere and less economic activity as a result. Don't forget, tariffs are taxes on specific economic activities. Some of them get pretty high.

[S.A. Boggs]

People drive Toyotas or VWs or Audis because they think it is a better car. They're already more expensive than the GM or FCA car in the same class. Ford just builds trucks and SUVs now, doesn't even try to compete on cars. Throwing up a wall of protection against them won't help GM or Ford. And some of those brands have US assembly plants that will use imported components. FCA exports Jeeps to Europe and Asia. Think the duties on those can't go up? Eventually the end result is higher tariffs everywhere and less economic activity as a result. Don't forget, tariffs are taxes on specific economic activities. Some of them get pretty high.

One aspect I had not foreseen, yes you are right in this. American cars many years ago had limited time due to model year changes. Every year my father [who hauled vehicles from the factory to the dealer's] had from 21 July [my birthday] until late in August off without pay due to the model year retooling at the auto plants. Vehicles weren't intended to last more the 50,000 miles due to the constant model changes. Now you can get 3-400,000 miles out of a vehicle if you take care of them. I can see the good and bad aspects of a tariff to protect a country. My understanding is that Canada has a large tariff on some imported dairy goods to protect their dairy industry. Without it Canada could be in dire straits and that is not good for them but would be good for US selling to them. I have read conflicting reports on how the tariff's will play out as there is two sides to this coin of tariff's. If I remember my American history in the early stages of our country tariff's were the form of revenue to finance the federal government. Now taxes won't do it and more is needed each day to accomplish this task. I wish I knew what the real outcome is but I haven't the slightest clue, I can only take a wait and see attitude.
Sam

[Mark in Ottawa]

Let us not forget that in addition to tariffs there are also non-tariff barriers to trade. These can include very slow customs clearance, a technique long used in Japan to inhibit the importation of manufactured goods; a requirement that imported goods meet impossible standards so that they cannot actually be sold and perhaps most importantly, the reluctance of people to purchase goods manufactured abroad. This has also always been the case in Japan. Having said that, here in Canada there is starting to be a totally spontaneous groundswell of opposition to purchasing American made products. The government is not fomenting this but a lot of media people seem to be reporting on it. I have never seen anything quite like this in my life. Mr Trump has managed to throw away 100 years of good will in a few days. You have to understand that our Prime Minister was not exaggerating when he said that Canadians were deeply offended by Mr Trump's use of a national security regulation to put a tariff on our steel and aluminum.

[togor]

I believe it, Mark. But you must understand that it's not personal. It's about gaining leverage*.

*Of course that is pure horsesh*t. Someone who thinks on those terms is a cold blooded sociopath who will lead the country to ruin. By accepted count Trump businesses have been to bankruptcy court 6 times and many others have just failed and been euthanized. Lots of people have lost a lot of money on Trump. I'm definitely shorting him and I make no bones about it. Selling to soon? I don't think so.

Oh yeah, and separating parents from little kids at the border? Leverage, baby. Some bleeding heart who gives a sh*t about kids will feel the heat and cave on something Trump wants. Let's bust some balls! Praise Jesus! #MAGA!

[dryheat]

-Oh yeah, and separating parents from little kids at the border- I heard they are using them for medical experiments. Like, let's see what the kid looks like after two weeks without a bath.

[S.A. Boggs]

I believe it, Mark. But you must understand that it's not personal. It's about gaining leverage*.

*Of course that is pure horsesh*t. Someone who thinks on those terms is a cold blooded sociopath who will lead the country to ruin. By accepted count Trump businesses have been to bankruptcy court 6 times and many others have just failed and been euthanized. Lots of people have lost a lot of money on Trump. I'm definitely shorting him and I make no bones about it. Selling to soon? I don't think so.

Oh yeah, and separating parents from little kids at the border? Leverage, baby. Some bleeding heart who gives a sh*t about kids will feel the heat and cave on something Trump wants. Let's bust some balls! Praise Jesus! #MAGA!

Let me question you on the separating the families. In America if a parent[s] commit a criminal act they are separated from their children, illegally coming across our border is invasion of a sovereign nation a criminal act punishable by federal prison if convicted. Please explain to me the difference in the separation as both are criminal in law.
Sam

[togor]

Let me question you on the separating the families. In America if a parent[s] commit a criminal act they are separated from their children, illegally coming across our border is invasion of a sovereign nation a criminal act punishable by federal prison if convicted. Please explain to me the difference in the separation as both are criminal in law.
Sam

What's the humane thing to do? "No, you can't come in. Let's keep you together while we figure out a way to send you back." They're not criminals, not by our laws, unless you are comfortable with the idea that BCP is now Police, Judge & Jury & Jailer at the border, or anywhere within 100 miles of the border, or, anywhere in the country, according to some interpretations, on citizens and non-citizens alike. For those Constitution buffs looking for the wave of Trump jurists to set things right....how Constitutional is that?

But that is all beside the point. The point is that an inhumane thing is deliberately being done to increase negotiating leverage. Boggs if you can't understand why that is fundamentally wrong, then throw out all of the Bibles in your house and replace them on the shelf with all of Trump's ghost-written books, because those Bibles clearly haven't done you a d*mn bit of good. But before chucking the last one, read the parable of the Good Samaritan, one last time, and utterly fail to comprehend its meaning, one last time. OK? Either you're a believer or you're not, and if you are, then now is an hour to stand up and bear witness.

[dryheat]

If it scares them enough to prevent the invasion good. Kids are bargaining chips now...for the illegals. They figure they have a free ticket because, "it's for the children". Often the kids show up unaccompanied. How dangerous is that? But the whole thing about separating children is fake news. The bible says so.

[RED]

What's the humane thing to do? "No, you can't come in. Let's keep you together while we figure out a way to send you back." They're not criminals, not by our laws, unless you are comfortable with the idea that BCP is now Police, Judge & Jury & Jailer at the border, or anywhere within 100 miles of the border, or, anywhere in the country, according to some interpretations, on citizens and non-citizens alike. For those Constitution buffs looking for the wave of Trump jurists to set things right....how Constitutional is that?

But that is all beside the point. The point is that an inhumane thing is deliberately being done to increase negotiating leverage. Boggs if you can't understand why that is fundamentally wrong, then throw out all of the Bibles in your house and replace them on the shelf with all of Trump's ghost-written books, because those Bibles clearly haven't done you a d*mn bit of good. But before chucking the last one, read the parable of the Good Samaritan, one last time, and utterly fail to comprehend its meaning, one last time. OK? Either you're a believer or you're not, and if you are, then now is an hour to stand up and bear witness.

You come down on the selective enforcement of the laws with you being the "selector in chief." The reason the kids are separated from their parents is because that is what the law says. The law could be changed overnight and signed by Trump the next day. But no, that won't happen because the low life lefties can use their law they put on the books to hurt kids, hurt the country but most importantly DJT.

As far as tariffs go, I have always hated tariffs. It is just another tax for Americans to pay... that's right, when we put a tariff on a product, it's not the country that made the product that pays, it is the country that imposes the tariffs. Put a 25% tax on aluminum and the price we pay goes up 25%. What Trump wants, and what America needs, are no, zero, nada, tariffs. But Canada, Japan, and China, etc. think it is OK to put 270% tariffs on American products but they think it is a slap in the face if we do the same thing.

And yes it is a strategic threat when we cannot produce our own weapons because the Steel and aluminum factories are all in China or Canada. The message is free trade has to be fair trade and right now are "friends" are beginning to get the message.

[Vern Humphrey]

Many of these children are part of the Human Trafficing trade, and destined to become prostitutes.

[S.A. Boggs]

What's the humane thing to do? "No, you can't come in. Let's keep you together while we figure out a way to send you back." They're not criminals, not by our laws, unless you are comfortable with the idea that BCP is now Police, Judge & Jury & Jailer at the border, or anywhere within 100 miles of the border, or, anywhere in the country, according to some interpretations, on citizens and non-citizens alike. For those Constitution buffs looking for the wave of Trump jurists to set things right....how Constitutional is that?

But that is all beside the point. The point is that an inhumane thing is deliberately being done to increase negotiating leverage. Boggs if you can't understand why that is fundamentally wrong, then throw out all of the Bibles in your house and replace them on the shelf with all of Trump's ghost-written books, because those Bibles clearly haven't done you a d*mn bit of good. But before chucking the last one, read the parable of the Good Samaritan, one last time, and utterly fail to comprehend its meaning, one last time. OK? Either you're a believer or you're not, and if you are, then now is an hour to stand up and bear witness.

Again you try and confuse, why is it OK to separate the American criminals but not the illegals who INVADE THE COUNTRY which is a federal crime. Just answer this one sentence please.
Sam

[dave]

I believe it, Mark. But you must understand that it's not personal. It's about gaining leverage*.

*Of course that is pure horsesh*t. Someone who thinks on those terms is a cold blooded sociopath who will lead the country to ruin. By accepted count Trump businesses have been to bankruptcy court 6 times and many others have just failed and been euthanized. Lots of people have lost a lot of money on Trump. I'm definitely shorting him and I make no bones about it. Selling to soon? I don't think so.

Oh yeah, and separating parents from little kids at the border? Leverage, baby. Some bleeding heart who gives a sh*t about kids will feel the heat and cave on something Trump wants. Let's bust some balls! Praise Jesus! #MAGA!

separating kids at the border was done under bambam! its a law that was written and passed by Dems.

[S.A. Boggs]

What's the humane thing to do? "No, you can't come in. Let's keep you together while we figure out a way to send you back." They're not criminals, not by our laws, unless you are comfortable with the idea that BCP is now Police, Judge & Jury & Jailer at the border, or anywhere within 100 miles of the border, or, anywhere in the country, according to some interpretations, on citizens and non-citizens alike. For those Constitution buffs looking for the wave of Trump jurists to set things right....how Constitutional is that?

But that is all beside the point. The point is that an inhumane thing is deliberately being done to increase negotiating leverage. Boggs if you can't understand why that is fundamentally wrong, then throw out all of the Bibles in your house and replace them on the shelf with all of Trump's ghost-written books, because those Bibles clearly haven't done you a d*mn bit of good. But before chucking the last one, read the parable of the Good Samaritan, one last time, and utterly fail to comprehend its meaning, one last time. OK? Either you're a believer or you're not, and if you are, then now is an hour to stand up and bear witness.

Why so distraught on this? I am a believer are you? Because I believe in Holy Scripture and am against homosexuality in ANY FORM I am accused of being a bigot, a hate monger and other's that I cannot print by socialists like yourself. How about this, if THEY ARE CAUGHT then give the parents the choice of returning to Mexico or being separated under American law. If a parent will risk their kids life then they are not much of a parent.
Sam