Bush Family again attacks Trump.

[togor]

Supposed to? Not in a LONG time, the fed courts have decided.

So that's the excuse? "I believe this is wrong by my religion but the government gives me no choice"? Funny, when it's about a wedding cake and gays it flies all the way to the Supreme Court! In any event we are unaware of BCP regs that require poor treatment of detained people.

[clintonhater]

In any event we are unaware of BCP regs that require poor treatment of detained people.

Who (except those agitating for open borders, like ALL Dems) says they're being treated poorly? The detainees are probably eating better than they ever have in their lives, & probably for the FIRST time in their lives have access to health care. If offered the chance to be sent back to relatives in their own countries, not 1 in a 1000 would accept.

[togor]

Separating little kids from their mom or dad isn't poor treatment? You have kids of your own?

[clintonhater]

Separating little kids from their mom or dad isn't poor treatment?

Dragging them from the south of Mexico, Guatemala, points further away, THAT is poor treatment.

[togor]

Dragging them from the south of Mexico, Guatemala, points further away, THAT is poor treatment.

Oh you like to evade the central point. We control what we do, and splitting families is our choice, and our responsibility.

[S.A. Boggs]

Oh you like to evade the central point. We control what we do, and splitting families is our choice, and our responsibility.

And our duty to protect OUR CHILDREN. If caught illegal, give family the choice as I previously stated.
Sam

[bruce]

Mrs. Bush has every right to speak to this issue regardless of what we like. In fact, like doesn't have anything at all to do with it. From what I've read, she is right. Personally, I consider that the administration has not well handled this business. With an election cycle approaching, they have given the democrats free bricks to throw at Republican windows. That's just not smart thinking. Not smart at all.

The truth is that the democrats have always been willing to use illegal aliens as a political weapon to disadvantage Republicans/Conservatives. That's just the way it is. The truth is the Republicans/Conservatives have always been willing to use illegal aliens as a political weapon to disadvantage demokrats/liberals. That's just the way it is.

I agree with Mrs. Bush. This mess is without any justification moral or otherwise. I agree with what she has said. This course of action is wrong. I agree with why she has said it. According to the Bible, Jesus would not support this course of action. This is one of those times when faith in Christ Jesus trumps any other commitment period. That's just the way it is. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[dryheat]

Oh you like to evade the central point. We control what we do, and splitting families is our choice, and our responsibility.

Stop that. If the kids are segregated, it's to give them a bath and check for disease. They are separated momentarily. And if a clerical error occurs, well sue me.
If it scares some peons from coming north great.

[togor]

Stop that. If the kids are segregated, it's to give them a bath and check for disease. They are separated momentarily. And if a clerical error occurs, well sue me.
If it scares some peons from coming north great.

Yeah that's what's going on, no doubt about it. It's not intentional, just, you know, how the bureaucracy is sometimes. Hey I got a Gas Trap to sell you, original condition, hardly shot....

[S.A. Boggs]

Mrs. Bush has every right to speak to this issue regardless of what we like. In fact, like doesn't have anything at all to do with it. From what I've read, she is right. Personally, I consider that the administration has not well handled this business. With an election cycle approaching, they have given the democrats free bricks to throw at Republican windows. That's just not smart thinking. Not smart at all.

The truth is that the democrats have always been willing to use illegal aliens as a political weapon to disadvantage Republicans/Conservatives. That's just the way it is. The truth is the Republicans/Conservatives have always been willing to use illegal aliens as a political weapon to disadvantage demokrats/liberals. That's just the way it is.

I agree with Mrs. Bush. This mess is without any justification moral or otherwise. I agree with what she has said. This course of action is wrong. I agree with why she has said it. According to the Bible, Jesus would not support this course of action. This is one of those times when faith in Christ Jesus trumps any other commitment period. That's just the way it is. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

Using this logic, again I ask what about those children of American criminals? Having worked with this population and their children should not the same be applied to them? The parents broke the law to give to their children a "better" life at the expense of someone else. Please someone explain to me the difference in breaking into a home/business then breaking into my country? What is the difference in taking ones identity then doing the same for personal gain? I have seen children cry when law enforcement arrests the parents for a crime and then separated. Please explain to me the difference with a Mexican child and an American child. The cry is the same, the bewildered look is the same, why be so concerned over one and not the other? Mexico has criminal gangs, so does Chicago, LA, Atlanta, New York. Mexico has drug running, so does these cities. Mexico has corrupt politicians, so does these cities. Mexico has a history of political thuggery, so does Chicago. Bruce, Togor, ANYONE please explain to me why Mexicans deserve any more consideration in what I have stated then AMERICAN CITIZENS?
Sam

[togor]

Boggs these are little kids for God's sake. And no we're not going to build camps to house these people for some period of sentencing here just because they broke our laws in crossing the border without permission. Trump himself has said that, and it is an obvious point. They go back, and we keep them together while working the transfer. It isn't rocket science nor should it be a tough moral calculus. If you can get off your soapbox long enough to think it through, you'll see that there is only one proper course of action.

[S.A. Boggs]

Boggs these are little kids for God's sake. And no we're not going to build camps to house these people for some period of sentencing here just because they broke our laws in crossing the border without permission. Trump himself has said that, and it is an obvious point. They go back, and we keep them together while working the transfer. It isn't rocket science nor should it be a tough moral calculus. If you can get off your soapbox long enough to think it through, you'll see that there is only one proper course of action.

Again, what I said doesn't fit your emotions does it? What about the little kids of the American criminal are these children any less worthy? I read the law it is illegal to come or buy your way illegally into my country. First time is punishable with a federal prison term of 6 months and a fine. Continuing to do this can net you a term of up to 20 years! Illegal entry IS AN ILLEGAL OFFENSE PUNISHABLE BY PRISON. I am stating fact, you are stating emotion. Answer my question if you can and I doubt that you can. Prove my point wrong without being emotional. If you are so all fired high and mighty for YOUR ILLEGAL ALIENS in their rights and needs I can do the same for the forgotten criminal. How many illegals have you helped in your life by the way, or is it just comfortable to just stand by the side and look in? I worked with mine two days out of stir, ate with them, transported them, fought for their rights against the system, argued with judges to get them fair treatment, found them housing, clothing, food. Yes, I am passionate for the criminal element of society and THEIR FAMILY. Pray tell me Togor, what have YOU PERSONALLY DONE for any illegal except to expound on this board? I worked with these people for over twenty years in many capacities including seeing them in death, old boy have you done what for the illegals?
Sam

[togor]

I see you've got your 'Irish' up. Maybe when you calm down you'll see it different. Maybe not. But you're presenting a false either-or choice between controlling the border and keeping families together. If you can't see how the two can happen at the same time, then that's on you. Because I can see it quite clearly.

[S.A. Boggs]

I see you've got your 'Irish' up. Maybe when you calm down you'll see it different. Maybe not. But you're presenting a false either-or choice between controlling the border and keeping families together. If you can't see how the two can happen at the same time, then that's on you. Because I can see it quite clearly.

Again, I am asking why one and not the other? QUIT EVADING THE ISSUE, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE PERSONALLY IN THIS ISSUE OF ILLEGALITY? I like your diversion episode, it won't work on me as I have had professional psychopaths try it...that you are not. Please answer my question!
Sam

[togor]

My personal business is mine, as yours is yours. Don't waste my time with such questions, which have nothing to do with the border. Your proposal is to catch people over the border and then treat them as criminals. Fine. That means giving them lawyers, charging them with crimes, finding them guilty in front of juries, sentencing them to Federal facilities for some period of time before deporting them at completion of sentence. Put away the hysterical shrieking, these are not enemy combatants bound for Gitmo. If you have trouble seeing that, then turn in your voter ID card because you're no longer fit to participate in the business of the republic.

So treat them like criminals, and all that goes with it....OR....catch them, hold them for a short period of time, then send them back, all without inflicting needless cruelty upon them as some sort of punishment. The cost of incarceration in this country being what it is, the incentives are on treating this administratively, and not criminally. Total no-brainer.