How would you get those kids out of the cave ? ...

[dogtag]

Musk suggested an inflated tube the kids could crawl through.
I'd suggest a watertight canister that could hold kid plus
adequate air supply - rings on each end for ropes. Insert kid, pull
canister through, release kid, team can pull canister back and refill.
It would take a long time to get them all out, but hopefully before
the rains come. Shouldn't take long to construct such a canister.
Assuming the kids didn't have to crawl on their bellies to get where
they are, then there should be enough room for the canister to
pass along unobstructed.
I can't see these kids surviving a 5 hour swim in diving gear, nor can
I see drilling a hole downwards as a viable solution.
So, any ideas if you were on the scene ?

Watch for useless comments from the stooges who couldn't come
up with an idea in a month of Sundays but can criticize in a nanosecond.

[JB White]

Scuba gear seems like the best and quickest approach. What was it I heard...that they had to traverse nearly a mile or so? A lot can go wrong with a hastily made tube through rocks and water pressure.

[togor]

One experienced diver per cave occupant, group effort.

[dogtag]

Scuba gear seems like the best and quickest approach. What was it I heard...that they had to traverse nearly a mile or so? A lot can go wrong with a hastily made tube through rocks and water pressure.

One scuba expert has died already. You think 10 year old kids could do better than an expert ?

[Vern Humphrey]

One problem is, the passage is narrow, partially blocked and twisting. Maneuvering a cannister or similar device through it would be nearly impossible.

[Allen]

Just like the trapped miners in Peru. Bore a 30" hole over the top of the cave. Use something like a modified 55 gal drum for one person to get in at a time and pull them out from above using a crane or winch. Of course I'm not there and this may not be possible but seems more doable than scuba rescue to me.

At least they are getting food to the kids and air apparently isn't a problem due to the size of the cave.

[Dick Hosmer]

One problem is, the passage is narrow, partially blocked and twisting. Maneuvering a cannister or similar device through it would be nearly impossible.

To say NOTHING of getting anyone to enter what might well become their own coffin, overwhelmed with the fear of being TOTALLY helpless if it got hung up.

Not at all to criticize; on the surface the idea seems great, and if the passages were fairly large, might work. A mock-up (with supplies) could be hauled back and forth a number of times as a test of the viability.

[togor]

Some info.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ve-rescue.html

[Sandpebble]

Musk suggested an inflated tube the kids could crawl through.
I'd suggest a watertight canister that could hold kid plus
adequate air supply - rings on each end for ropes. Insert kid, pull
canister through, release kid, team can pull canister back and refill.
It would take a long time to get them all out, but hopefully before
the rains come. Shouldn't take long to construct such a canister.
Assuming the kids didn't have to crawl on their bellies to get where
they are, then there should be enough room for the canister to
pass along unobstructed.
I can't see these kids surviving a 5 hour swim in diving gear, nor can
I see drilling a hole downwards as a viable solution.
So, any ideas if you were on the scene ?

"" Watch for useless comments from the stooges who couldn't come
up with an idea in a month of Sundays but can criticize in a nanosecond. ""

OK Dogtag... I'll play your game. In light of the general thoughts here at Culvers I say .... Screw em .... they'd just likely grow up to want to come here and steal our jobs anyway.

know what I'm saying ? does even this have to be a left or right thing to you ?

[JB White]

OK Dogtag... I'll play your game. In light of the general thoughts here at Culvers I say .... Screw em .... they'd just likely grow up to want to come here and steal our jobs anyway.

know what I'm saying ? does even this have to be a left or right thing to you ?

May we have one general human interest thread on this board without politics and badgering, please?

Togor, thanks for the link. The graphics were far more informative than our local talking heads.

[Sandpebble]

Thank you JB .... quite right

[dogtag]

To say NOTHING of getting anyone to enter what might well become their own coffin, overwhelmed with the fear of being TOTALLY helpless if it got hung up.

Not at all to criticize; on the surface the idea seems great, and if the passages were fairly large, might work. A mock-up (with supplies) could be hauled back and forth a number of times as a test of the viability.

Yeah, it would be a frightening experience, being bounced around and shut in,
but preferable to being dead.

[pcox]

I spent some time with scuba gear in water with very limited and sometimes zero visibility. I can't imagine dealing with that much anxiety inside a cave where the ability to get to the surface was not an option. I've read that there is one passage which is too small to get through with a tank strapped on. You would have to take it off and push it through ahead of you. Doing that in dark water with a terrified kid in a diving mask in tow could be very problematic.

What the hell was that coach thinking?

[dogtag]

I spent some time with scuba gear in water with very limited and sometimes zero visibility. I can't imagine dealing with that much anxiety inside a cave where the ability to get to the surface was not an option. I've read that there is one passage which is too small to get through with a tank strapped on. You would have to take it off and push it through ahead of you. Doing that in dark water with a terrified kid in a diving mask in tow could be very problematic.

What the hell was that coach thinking?

That Coach must have the IQ of a chicken to have taken those kids in there.
Even if they manage to get the kids out which is getting iffy, I'm not sure they'll
manage to save him because of his size.
If they can keep the water from rising which is also iffy, then they should
have enough time to bore an escape hole from the top. But it's Monsoon time
which could overwhelm the pumps.

[Ken The Kanuck]

I don't know but I wish them all well.

KTK