i knew they would get around to blaming gun owners

[free1954]

http://www.businessinsider.com/maria-butina-nra-linked-russian-national-indictment-spying-2018-7

[dryheat]

Lordy.

[barretcreek]

Just one more pre-selected victim of the witch hunt. At one of Gen. Kalyshnikov's last public appearances he braced up Putin saying Russia needed 'a 2A'. I think Torshin is a dual citizen, this Russian gun rights outfit has been communicating with the NRA for a few years.

[togor]

So we don't enforce espionage laws if it's the Russians working with the NRA? I missed that presentation.

[S.A. Boggs]

So we don't enforce espionage laws if it's the Russians working with the NRA? I missed that presentation.

Not all you have missed.
Sam

[togor]

Yeah I know I missed the part in school where money = speech and corporations = people. I swear to God it wasn't on the test either! Also....did you know that you don't own the copyright to your own DNA? Neither does God.

[S.A. Boggs]

Yeah I know I missed the part in school where money = speech and corporations = people. I swear to God it wasn't on the test either! Also....did you know that you don't own the copyright to your own DNA? Neither does God.

Corporation are people in need too! If government can makes rules/regulations, why can't corporations oppose them? Which one has the most money to spend to influence decisions?
Sam

[togor]

Corporation are people in need too! If government can makes rules/regulations, why can't corporations oppose them? Which one has the most money to spend to influence decisions?
Sam

Do you really think that at the time of the writing of the Constitution, the founders meant to assert that trading companies (the primary type of the time) were in fact people, that the Bill of Rights was meant for them as surely as flesh and blood people? Or do you really think they had trouble confusing wealth (and the power it brings, having just fought a tough war with a wealthy monarch) with the speech of ordinary men?

The basic question is...whose country is it? You live in Appalachia, where books have been written about how ordinary people have been screwed pretty much since the beginning of European settlement. So maybe it's all you know, this idea that the wealthy and connected call the shots and regular people just have to scrape by 'best they can.

[S.A. Boggs]

Do you really think that at the time of the writing of the Constitution, the founders meant to assert that trading companies (the primary type of the time) were in fact people, that the Bill of Rights was meant for them as surely as flesh and blood people? Or do you really think they had trouble confusing wealth (and the power it brings, having just fought a tough war with a wealthy monarch) with the speech of ordinary men?

The basic question is...whose country is it? You live in Appalachia, where books have been written about how ordinary people have been screwed pretty much since the beginning of European settlement. So maybe it's all you know, this idea that the wealthy and connected call the shots and regular people just have to scrape by 'best they can.

Well, one was a smuggler does that count?
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

Apparently some people would be astonished to learn that if corporations were NOT persons, there would be no United States, as we know it.

The Virginia Company that financed the first settlements was a corporation.
Towns are corporations.
States are corporations.
The United States is a corporation.

[S.A. Boggs]

Apparently some people would be astonished to learn that if corporations were NOT persons, there would be no United States, as we know it.

The Virginia Company that financed the first settlements was a corporation.
Towns are corporations.
States are corporations.
The United States is a corporation.

Don't confuse Togor with facts, only "feelings" are important.
Sam

[togor]

Apparently some people would be astonished to learn that if corporations were NOT persons, there would be no United States, as we know it.

The Virginia Company that financed the first settlements was a corporation.
Towns are corporations.
States are corporations.
The United States is a corporation.

Not this person. Limited liability is a useful commercial concept, as is joint ownership, both then and now. But somehow the Republic survived for two centuries, through multiple, difficult wars, with out this "truth" coming to the fore. So to say it is self-evident that corporations are people is a whopper. We had well developed laws for corporations before discovering their personhood status. Vern's attempt at deception is a total fail. It's a ludicrous SCOTUS ruling intended to put the ordinary man at an even greater disadvantage against both the state and powerful commercial interests.