Staying in character to the bitter end

[clintonhater]

I'll admit that you see what you want to see. Nothing more, nothing less.

What I see, or have seen about a thousand times on TV, are both the signs & the screaming, vicious, bitterly hateful mobs.

[Sandpebble]

What I see, or have seen about a thousand times on TV, are both the signs & the screaming, vicious, bitterly hateful mobs.

Are you discussing the birthers... or the lock her up crowd ? and a thousand times ? ... huh sounding more like big brother Trump all the time there buddy

[Vern Humphrey]

What I see, or have seen about a thousand times on TV, are both the signs & the screaming, vicious, bitterly hateful mobs.

Go back 80 years or so, and you'll see the same thing in Germany -- the left is using Nazi Brownshirt tactics.

[clintonhater]

Are you discussing the birthers... or the lock her up crowd ?

When did you EVER see a ranting mob of birthers or the lock her up crowd screaming, waving signs, often pushing & shoving, aggressively confronting cops, in some public place--the street, the border, etc.? You think chanting "lock her up" at a political rally is the equivalent of that kind of fanatical public disturbance?

[togor]

Go back 80 years or so, and you'll see the same thing in Germany -- the left is using Nazi Brownshirt tactics.

Yes those SA truppen were famous for blocking traffic on the autobahn. And Reich jails were filled with them after these episodes of civil disobedience, forcing Hitler to finally purge Roehm and other SA leaders. Good point, Vern. It's exactly the same thing!

[togor]

When did you EVER see a ranting mob of birthers or the lock her up crowd screaming, waving signs, often pushing & shoving, aggressively confronting cops, in some public place--the street, the border, etc.? You think chanting "lock her up" at a political rally is the equivalent of that kind of fanatical public disturbance?

Yes the people at Trump rallies are the meekest and gentlest souls we could possibly imagine. Regular lambs, just like the man himself. None would hurt a fly, much less ever give a police officer a bad time, regardless of their blood alcohol level.

[Art]

https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...neral-service/

A partisan piece but says it. I wonder how many former POWs attended.

I don't know. I do know that I have heard very few unfavorable things about McCain from those who were locked up with him. Most comments were downright laudatory.

https://www.voanews.com/a/former-pows-remember-john-mccain-in-vietnam/4553641.html

[clintonhater]

Yes the people at Trump rallies are the meekest and gentlest souls we could possibly imagine.

Can't see the difference between a political rally, conducted usually in a space rented for the occasion, in other words, a "private party," & a civil disturbance on public property which interferes with the lives of people who want nothing to do with the event?

[clintonhater]

I don't know. I do know that I have heard very few unfavorable things about McCain from those who were locked up with him. Most comments were downright laudatory.

If you coop people up in some horrible environment where everyone is subjected to the same mistreatment, it's basic human nature to bond together to resist, psychologically if not physically, the common enemies of all--it's a fundamental human survival mechanism; this always happens, even when the people cooped together have nothing in common, or, before their confinement, were enemies.

[togor]

Can't see the difference between a political rally, conducted usually in a space rented for the occasion, in other words, a "private party," & a civil disturbance on public property which interferes with the lives of people who want nothing to do with the event?

Remember the Alabama guy who got arrested for heckling a prayer service in a public park, then started waving a gun at people? It's on video. You act like Trumpists and MAGA hats never cross the line, but they do. What I think is going on here is that you don't like the idea that people are getting in the habit of having larger scale protests against stuff in society that they don't like, and which they want to see addressed. You yourself said that the Philando Castile shooting was an example of the cops showing up and making things worse. Obviously it takes an exceptional example to get on your radar screen, living as you do in the middle of nowhere where pretty much nothing happens locally. But for some people it's a different situation and they have something to say about it. What's the smart thing? To open a dialogue, to try to resolve differences peacefully and constructively. Does that sound like the kind of activity that excites you? I'm guessing not.

[clintonhater]

Remember the Alabama guy who got arrested for heckling a prayer service in a public park, then started waving a gun at people?

One, or a few, crackpots vs. ranting mobs of hundreds or thousands, & you see NO difference? "Stuff in society"? Like border control, like illegal immigration, like the 2nd Amendment, etc.

[togor]

One, or a few, crackpots vs. ranting mobs of hundreds or thousands, & you see NO difference? "Stuff in society"? Like border control, like illegal immigration, like the 2nd Amendment, etc.

Oh there is a huge difference! One guy can be dismissed as a crackpot, whereas if enough people all get on the same page, then the powers that be might actually have to pay attention to them! What is the casualty list right now due to isolated crackpots yelling "get out of my country" as they start shooting or beating? More than zero, for sure. But their victims lives don't matter so why worry about it. That appears to be your thinking on it.

[clintonhater]

...if enough people all get on the same page, then the powers that be might actually have to pay attention to them!

That "same page" is the enraged, hysterical, refusal of radical Dems to accept the results of the last election by making attempted mob-rule their substitute for winning the election. An equal number of Repubs were equally upset by 8 YEARS of that accursed SOB, but did THEY take their bitter disappointment into the streets in any way comparable to the civil disturbances now fomented by Dems?

The analogy of today's bully-boy Dems with the Brown Shirts is absolutely undeniable.

[togor]

That "same page" is the enraged, hysterical, refusal of radical Dems to accept the results of the last election by making attempted mob-rule their substitute for winning the election. An equal number of Repubs were equally upset by 8 YEARS of that accursed SOB, but did THEY take their bitter disappointment into the streets in any way comparable to the civil disturbances now fomented by Dems?

The analogy of today's bully-boy Dems with the Brown Shirts is absolutely undeniable.

Hogwash.

The better analogy is to Vietnam War protesters. Partially organized, passionate, and largely undisciplined and as such, prone to excess. But on the whole, less using of violence on people than their opponents. MAGA hats kill more often than they're killed.

The SA by contrast was a field arm of a political party, with coldly calculated and targeted political violence as part of its portfolio.

Saying that Antifa, BLM, Joe Biden, togor, John McCain, the Bushes, the Obamas, the Democratic party, George Will, or anyone else who finds Trump deficient in the office are all cut from the same cloth and are modern-day SA men is nothing more than proof of diminished prefrontal cortex capability. If life has degenerated to the point where each day amounts to stumbling from one stoked resentment to another with each change of the channel or click of the mouse, then it's time to unplug and go get some fresh air. Maybe do a crossword or Sudoko puzzle while they're at it. I can absolutely guarantee you that no change in current events is going to happen that will cause you to stop bubbling up resentments. With each that subsides, you'll find another. So either you like it this way, in which case, go ahead and bubble away, because who cares, or you don't, in which case you need to get a grip.

[S.A. Boggs]

Hogwash.

The better analogy is to Vietnam War protesters. Partially organized, passionate, and largely undisciplined and as such, prone to excess. But on the whole, less using of violence on people than their opponents. MAGA hats kill more often than they're killed.

The SA by contrast was a field arm of a political party, with coldly calculated and targeted political violence as part of its portfolio.

Saying that Antifa, BLM, Joe Biden, togor, John McCain, the Bushes, the Obamas, the Democratic party, George Will, or anyone else who finds Trump deficient in the office are all cut from the same cloth and are modern-day SA men is nothing more than proof of diminished prefrontal cortex capability. If life has degenerated to the point where each day amounts to stumbling from one stoked resentment to another with each change of the channel or click of the mouse, then it's time to unplug and go get some fresh air. Maybe do a crossword or Sudoko puzzle while they're at it. I can absolutely guarantee you that no change in current events is going to happen that will cause you to stop bubbling up resentments. With each that subsides, you'll find another. So either you like it this way, in which case, go ahead and bubble away, because who cares, or you don't, in which case you need to get a grip.

Can you define your statement with empirical evidence?
Sam