A question

[S.A. Boggs]

@ the beginning of the President's term he instructed the Justice Department, sans the FBI to prosecute Hillary, what would be the outcry?
Sam

[togor]

The claim would be that he was persecuting Clinton as a member of the political opposition, as an act of political retribution for a tough campaign, and that the charges used against her would be thin.

The action might be immensely popular with a segment of the base, but unpopular overall across the nation. And retribution, unless decisive, usually inaugurates an escalating cycle of reprisals.

[Major Tom]

Regardless, Hillary should be prosecuted for the many, many things she did while campaigning and while she was at the White House and Secretary of State!

[togor]

That's the problem--do the "many, many things", upon closer examination, add up to a prosecutable case? At some level, it's about objective evidence of acts and intent presented to a jury. I read here this is a slam dunk but no one bothers to spell it out in a way that a jury would see it. My sense is that this is because cases against Hillary are paper thin, especially on intent. Of course to a crowd of people who think she harms the United States simply by breathing, this doesn't matter. But that crowd isn't the jury.

[S.A. Boggs]

That's the problem--do the "many, many things", upon closer examination, add up to a prosecutable case? At some level, it's about objective evidence of acts and intent presented to a jury. I read here this is a slam dunk but no one bothers to spell it out in a way that a jury would see it. My sense is that this is because cases against Hillary are paper thin, especially on intent. Of course to a crowd of people who think she harms the United States simply by breathing, this doesn't matter. But that crowd isn't the jury.

Apparently it has with the "Russian" investigation! The only crimes so far are pertaining to other allegations, kinda like going fishing for bass and catching minnows.
Sam

[togor]

Apparently it has with the "Russian" investigation! The only crimes so far are pertaining to other allegations, kinda like going fishing for bass and catching minnows.
Sam

That's not true. With the Russian investigation, many people, when confronted with the evidence against them, opted to plead guilty. So far one trial, Manafort, in which the one juror who talked observed that the objective evidence of guilt (the exhibits) was overwhelming. I acknowledge the existence of a great desire for there to be similar bales of evidence against Hillary, but if only a hero can be found to bring them to the light of day, but the reality may simply be that insufficient evidence exists. People wanted the Shroud of Turin to be a genuine burial cloth of Jesus. Some may still insist that it is. But objective evidence points in a different direction.

[S.A. Boggs]

That's not true. With the Russian investigation, many people, when confronted with the evidence against them, opted to plead guilty. So far one trial, Manafort, in which the one juror who talked observed that the objective evidence of guilt (the exhibits) was overwhelming. I acknowledge the existence of a great desire for there to be similar bales of evidence against Hillary, but if only a hero can be found to bring them to the light of day, but the reality may simply be that insufficient evidence exists. People wanted the Shroud of Turin to be a genuine burial cloth of Jesus. Some may still insist that it is. But objective evidence points in a different direction.

Truth is a sweetness that turns to bitterness in a leftness pallet.
Sam

[bostonbound]

That's not true. With the Russian investigation, many people, when confronted with the evidence against them, opted to plead guilty. So far one trial, Manafort, in which the one juror who talked observed that the objective evidence of guilt (the exhibits) was overwhelming.

You are intelligent and know better than that. No indictments relating to RUSSIAN COLLUSION have been made.

All charges so far are either before the campaign or are (although not yet formalized) relating to domestic campaign malfeasance.

I cannot imagine Mueller sending Russian collusion charges to a grand jury without proof. Or, in the case of the President, to whatever “committee” in the House lays the Articles of Impeachment before the Representatives acting as a “grand jury” to vote.

Like him or hate him, Mueller isn’t stupid.