The Pretty Dutch girls who killed Nazis ...

[dogtag]

Pretty Girls on bikes can be deadly:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-aged-92.html

[Vern Humphrey]

Have you ever heard of the GPO, the General Post Office in Dublin, Ireland? The GPO was rebel headquarters during the Rising of 1916 and is to the Irish what the Alamo is to Texans. The Irish say the GPO is the biggest building in the world, because if all the men who later claimed to have been in the GPO during the rising had been there -- sure and it would HAVE to be the biggest building in the world!

[clintonhater]

Such girls are needed more than ever now that the country is overrun by a menace worse (unless you were a Jew) than Nazism--ragheadism. And when the ragheads take over by outbreeding the rats & roaches, then it won't be so good for the Jews either.

[Vern Humphrey]

The Dutch resistance in WWII was run by the Nazis. They captured and turned SOE radio operators and used them to lure in more operators and to unravel resistance cells.

The SOE operators had a security code -- if they were operating freely they would, for example, misspell every 5th word (to code varied from operator to operator.) If the code was missing, it meant the operator was transmitting under coercion. The messages copied down by the British operators still exist -- many of them with the notation "security code missing" written in the margins. SOE did nothing about it and the whole Dutch resistance was under Nazi control.

[dogtag]

The Dutch resistance in WWII was run by the Nazis. They captured and turned SOE radio operators and used them to lure in more operators and to unravel resistance cells.

The SOE operators had a security code -- if they were operating freely they would, for example, misspell every 5th word (to code varied from operator to operator.) If the code was missing, it meant the operator was transmitting under coercion. The messages copied down by the British operators still exist -- many of them with the notation "security code missing" written in the margins. SOE did nothing about it and the whole Dutch resistance was under Nazi control.

If that's true, which I doubt, then it could hardly be called "resistance"

[Vern Humphrey]

If that's true, which I doubt, then it could hardly be called "resistance"

It is true.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.history.war.world-war-ii/XgeC93r03PU

http://www.eurekaencyclopedia.com/index.php/Category:SOE_The_Netherlands

[dogtag]

Well, if the Nazis controlled that resistance group, then there
was another that they didn't control.
The British were masters of trickery and subterfuge during the war,
and if you think they didn't know about that Nazi group ... well.
Remember 'The Man that never was' ?

[Vern Humphrey]

Well, if the Nazis controlled that resistance group, then there
was another that they didn't control.
The British were masters of trickery and subterfuge during the war,
and if you think they didn't know about that Nazi group ... well.
Remember 'The Man that never was' ?

"The man that never was" had nothing to do with SOE operations. In Holland, the Nazis successfully penetrated the Dutch resistance, captured virtually all the SOE agents sent into Holland, and SOE ignored the absence of security checks on messages from the Dutch resistance. When the Germans pulled out of Holland, they sent SOE a mocking message, saying, "We have been your sole agents in this country."

[dogtag]

"The man that never was" had nothing to do with SOE operations. In Holland, the Nazis successfully penetrated the Dutch resistance, captured virtually all the SOE agents sent into Holland, and SOE ignored the absence of security checks on messages from the Dutch resistance. When the Germans pulled out of Holland, they sent SOE a mocking message, saying, "We have been your sole agents in this country."

I guess it's lucky there was more going on than just the SOE isn't it,
otherwise the Nazis might have won.
Makes you wonder if the Nazis were that smart then who blew up all those trains,
who cut those telephone poles, who hoodwinked them about the invasion of
Sicily and Normandy.

[Vern Humphrey]

Apples and oranges. A military ruse is one thing, running a successful resistance network is another.

The damage done by various resistance organization was small -- and most of the successful resistance networks were Soviet, not British.

The Germans penetrated the French Resistance, for example, and got the D-Day warning code from them:

Les sanglots longs
Des violons
De l'automne

The long sobs
of autumn's
violins

Meaning: Prepare for coordinated strikes in conjunction with the Allied landings

Blessent mon cœur
D'une langueur
Monotone.

wound my heart
with a monotonous
languor.

Meaning: The invasion will take place within 48 hours.


The Germans also got the cricket challenge and reply (used by US Paratroops to identify each other in the dark) from the French Resistance.

[sid]

This entire story about young Dutch girls killing German soldiers is utter nonsense. Whenever and wherever German soldiers were killed by civilians the Nazi retaliation was brutal. Just think of what happened after the assassination of Reinhard Heidricht.

Some years ago an interesting film, Flame and Citron, was made about Dutch resistance in World War II and it was supposed to have been historically accurate. The 2 Dutch killers made sure they only killed other Dutch who cooperated with the Nazis but never any Germans, either military or civilian.

In France the SOE was also penetrated by the Nazis for quite some time. Many agents were killed before the British wised up to what was happening. Many were tortured, including some young females.

For their part, the British totally controlled what the Germans believed to be their own underground network in England.

[Allen]

This entire story about young Dutch girls killing German soldiers is utter nonsense. Whenever and wherever German soldiers were killed by civilians the Nazi retaliation was brutal.

But if this were a true story wouldn't the Nazi's and Dutch girls have been paired off 1 on 1? After death providing the body was disposed of properly the Nazi's wouldn't have known what happened to their fellow kraut. If true then there was some thought to the planning.

[dogtag]

The German spies sent to England were informed on before they got there
and the Brits caught them gave them the choice, either work for us or get shot.
They chose wisely.

[Vern Humphrey]

Similarly, the FBI rounded up all German agents in the US -- just the opposite of WWI when Germans operated freely in the US, and the Wilson administration refused to admit it. They even covered up acts of sabotage (such as blowing up a munitions plant) in order to avoid war.