When is a Border not a Border ? ...

[dogtag]

If it doesn't stop anybody going past it, through it, over it or underneath it
then how can it be regarded as a border ? For all the good it's doing it may
as well be a chalk line drawn between here and Mexico. Honest people might
not cross it, but dishonest ones would not even notice it. And even if they did
they would ignore it. The only people who will benefit from this invasion are of
course the democrats who would sell their grandmother if it meant they could
gain a little more power. The democrats who have purposely allowed this to
happen will be dead and buried in the not too distant future, but the chaos they
leave behind will be with us forever because as ICE deports a hundred illegals,
two hundred sneak past while they're busy doing the deporting.
The attached article is about hordes of Bangladeshis but another article says
that one in nine living here are illegal. Trump is doing his best but without help
from democrats which he'll never get, it's a hopeless task.

https://www.breitbart.com/texas/2018...ector-in-2018/

[Vern Humphrey]

It's like Obama's Red Line in the sand -- meaningless.

[Sandpebble]

Don't forget how open that border was under Bush ..... especially after 9/11 when all our troops were busy checking old ladies shoes at airports in Kansas and such

[togor]

Climate change already has people on the move. It's going to become a bigger deal in the decades to come.

[S.A. Boggs]

Climate change already has people on the move. It's going to become a bigger deal in the decades to come.

Have a question for you Togor and I hope you have an answer as I have several. Independent of each other, which causes people to move the most. Economic, social, climate are the three that I feel come to mind. Economic for lack of jobs, social due to political change, climate due to drastic weather changes in that area.
Sam

[Allen]

Get rid of welfare-------------the invasion will end.

[Major Tom]

Get rid of welfare-------------the invasion will end.

Amen to that!

[Vern Humphrey]

Get rid of welfare-------------the invasion will end.

Exactly right. I have said many times that a fence at the border won't work because it's what happens AFTER they cross the border. Put out bait like that and they'll never stop coming.

[togor]

Have a question for you Togor and I hope you have an answer as I have several. Independent of each other, which causes people to move the most. Economic, social, climate are the three that I feel come to mind. Economic for lack of jobs, social due to political change, climate due to drastic weather changes in that area.
Sam

Not a refugee expert but I think you hit the major areas and they are interrelated. People bail on a location in masse for reasons of flood, famine, war, etc. All of those things can have some environmental degredation as a root cause. Where climate change can get involved is say extreme weather for example. If an important crop has a 100 day seed to harvest time, then for those 100 days the weather needs to stay within some limits in order for there to be a good harvest, right? Wilder weather becomes another stress on people's lives.

Then there are the people who individually just want to leave a place where life kinda sucks in general, absent an acute disaster.

My view is that any place on Earth where life is decent ought to get it's sh*t together on borders because the pressure is out there and it's only going to go up. But shutting the rest of the world out and going it alone....the ruling class (our 1%) won't go for that because it would mean too big a drop in the US standard of living. So we gotta find a way to live in this world considers both our fate as Americans and the fate of the world as a whole. If one is Christian-minded then one already gets this.

[S.A. Boggs]

Not a refugee expert but I think you hit the major areas and they are interrelated. People bail on a location in masse for reasons of flood, famine, war, etc. All of those things can have some environmental degredation as a root cause. Where climate change can get involved is say extreme weather for example. If an important crop has a 100 day seed to harvest time, then for those 100 days the weather needs to stay within some limits in order for there to be a good harvest, right? Wilder weather becomes another stress on people's lives.

Then there are the people who individually just want to leave a place where life kinda sucks in general, absent an acute disaster.

My view is that any place on Earth where life is decent ought to get it's sh*t together on borders because the pressure is out there and it's only going to go up. But shutting the rest of the world out and going it alone....the ruling class (our 1%) won't go for that because it would mean too big a drop in the US standard of living. So we gotta find a way to live in this world considers both our fate as Americans and the fate of the world as a whole. If one is Christian-minded then one already gets this.

As a Christian we believe in helping other's , not doing for others. If Mexico has a problem, should we import the problem here or give help for THEM to find a MEXICAN solution to it? If Mexico has a pandemic fatal disease would anyone in their right mind want to import the disease into our country? Poverty is a disease that kills the soul and body that is obvious. America, to a certain extent, is well off and able to help other's. We are not well off enough to help all of the world if we don't take care of what we have now.
Sam

[togor]

Well Sam the difference between "helping" and "doing for" others at some point comes to splitting a hair. Many have iron-clad certainty that they are worshipping correctly, but in truth no one truly knows what awaits any of us beyond the veil. Some believers use that uncertainty as a prod to further reflections.