Today is Thursday Oct. 11, 2018.

[RED]

On this day in 1767, Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon completed the survey of the boundary between the colonies of Pennsylvania and Maryland as well as areas that would eventually become the states of Delaware and West Virginia.

[PWC]

This day in history.com, very goo site

[Vern Humphrey]

On this day in 1767, Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon completed the survey of the boundary between the colonies of Pennsylvania and Maryland as well as areas that would eventually become the states of Delaware and West Virginia.

The line they surveyed, of course is the Mason-Dixon Line. If you live south of that line, you live in Dixie. If you live north of the line, you live in Macie. There used to be a song:

"I wish I was in the land of Macie
Old times there were really spacy
Look away, look away, look away Macie Land."

[dogtag]

I guess I don't a calendar any more.

[RED]

I guess I don't a calendar any more.

Methinks you miss the point. In just a couple of little of on this day posts, we found out that Conservatives started WWII. The NAZI's were peace loving people and "conservatives" were their allies... That's if you agree with toerot's opinion.

[togor]

Methinks you miss the point. In just a couple of little of on this day posts, we found out that Conservatives started WWII. The NAZI's were peace loving people and "conservatives" were their allies... That's if you agree with toerot's opinion.

Nice troll, Red. Thanks for the invite to clarify your misrepresentation. What was once commonly understood is that the Nazis wanted a rematch of WW1, which was not an unpopular position among leading members of German society. They were bent on this and so were fundamentally misread by the businessmen-politicians running Britain in the 1930's. France was beset by a Gallic version of left/right political strife and some on the French right looked to Germany as a possible ally in their competition with the French left. The responsibility for the Germans being bent on war goes to the Germans. The responsibility for not recognizing the German drive for what it was goes to appeasers like Chamberlain. Can the appeasers be forgiven as fundamentally-decent men who were prepared to go to utmost lengths to avoid what was in fact a ruinous war? This has always been the debate.

If it makes you feel better Red, we can add comments on the cynicism of the left. In the mid-30's the left in the West was firmly anti-militarist, including against confrontation with Hitler. When the Spanish civil war commences, then the left discovers how bad then Nazis are. And then Stalin signs the Nazi-Soviet pact in August '39 and the left sits on its hands again until Barbarossa. And now you see why history leads me to be a Centrist.

[dogtag]

Chamberlain - the most unfaiorly maligned man in history.

Wheh he returned from his meeting in Germany waving
the "Peace in our time" paper, what is not undrstood is that
Britain was unarmed and virtually defenseless at that time.
The Royal Navy could not have repulsed an invasion as it
would have been sunk by the Luftwaffer. There were no
Spitfires, no Lancaster bombers, no Army. All there was
was the Home Guard - old men with few rifles.
Simply put: If Chamberlain had declared war, Britain
would have lost within weeks.

[Vern Humphrey]

Chamberlain - the most unfaiorly maligned man in history.

Wheh he returned from his meeting in Germany waving
the "Peace in our time" paper, what is not undrstood is that
Britain was unarmed and virtually defenseless at that time.
The Royal Navy could not have repulsed an invasion as it
would have been sunk by the Luftwaffer. There were no
Spitfires, no Lancaster bombers, no Army. All there was
was the Home Guard - old men with few rifles.
Simply put: If Chamberlain had declared war, Britain
would have lost within weeks.

Yes But isn't it a head of state's duty to insure his country is ready to defend itself?

There was in those days a great debate on defense in Britain. One side wanted an Army and an Air Force that could fight on the Continent. The other side was for "Imperial Defense" -- hold on to the bloody colonies and let Europe fend for itself. What they didn't understand was that Britain was not going to be allowed to choose the conditions of the next war, and they would HAVE to fight on the Continent.

[dogtag]

Yes But isn't it a head of state's duty to insure his country is ready to defend itself?

There was in those days a great debate on defense in Britain. One side wanted an Army and an Air Force that could fight on the Continent. The other side was for "Imperial Defense" -- hold on to the bloody colonies and let Europe fend for itself. What they didn't understand was that Britain was not going to be allowed to choose the conditions of the next war, and they would HAVE to fight on the Continent.

Well, he did order re-armament on the hurry up, plus
he eventually declared war.

After the Great War, the government coffers were empty.
It's hard to afford re-arming when you're broke.

[Vern Humphrey]

Well, he did order re-armament on the hurry up, plus
he eventually declared war.

After the Great War, the government coffers were empty.
It's hard to afford re-arming when you're broke.

It's even harder to be conquered -- as France was and as England nearly was.

If Hitler hadn't gone off his nut and switched the bombing campaign to attacking cities, he might well have defeated the Royal Air Force, and England was in no condition to resist an invasion.

In the end, it would have been MUCH cheaper to beat Hitler in France in 1940.

[togor]

Or cheaper still in '36 or '38.

[Vern Humphrey]

Now THERE's a fate worse than death!

[Vern Humphrey]

Its known as the Arkansas Gas Chamber.

Arkansas is where she's FROM. New York is where she's AT.

[Bill D]

She’s not even from Arkansas. Chicago if I remember correctly. Billy is the Arky.

[Vern Humphrey]

She’s not even from Arkansas. Chicago if I remember correctly. Billy is the Arky.

Yup -- which is why nowadays we tell people from Chicago that Arkansas is in Alaska.