Will the "Caravans" help to get the Wall built ? ...

[clintonhater]

Are there eugenicists still alive and well today?

Plenty, but my favorite is the new President of Brazil, who has said something has to be done to curb the reproduction of the hordes of social parasites breeding in Brazilian slums like rats.

[togor]

So help me out here....is it your position that the state should intervene on the matter of who is allowed to breed at all, and with whom, and if so, guided by what criteria under whose direction? And that in the event of unauthorized conception, the state is allowed to intervene to terminate the pregnancy, and if necessary, perform acts of sterilization in order to prevent future offenses? Just trying to understand where you put the lines down, or maybe you'll fudge that too. You've already said you favor eugenics, so I'm just trying to figure out how much eugenics you like.

[clintonhater]

So help me out here....is it your position that the state should intervene on the matter of who is allowed to breed at all, and with whom, and if so, guided by what criteria under whose direction?

Same criteria now being applied to determine who qualifies for mental disability payments--which generally begin at an early age & last for life. You're too intellectually disabled for any sort of gainful employment, but you should be allowed to breed more like yourself??? INSANE!

And nobody's telling them they can't fck up a storm! Just that they have no right to create more social parasites.

[togor]

So how many people/year we talking about here? And is it Constitutional?

[bostonbound]

..., but that might just be the online persona he constructed for the mission.

Someone might say the same about you, Tom (or do you prefer Thomas?), or about Tim (RKT). Some stories say that the Russians have created personas on both sides of any argument, to keep the hate going.

I believe that you and Tim are real people, but others may not. Using a flimsy throw-away crack about "Russian Trolls" and "made-up personas" lessens you. I appreciate your logic and argument far more, even when (or especially when) we disagree, when you and Tim take the high road.

People throwing out cheap shots develop a reputation that causes even like minded persons to discount their views and opinions. NOTE: In this instance I am not referring to you or RTK. In general you are far more sinned against than the opposite.

And, yes, I have on occasion, gotten muddy too. I usually try to edit a reply before posting it, though. I cannot say I always succeed.

[togor]

It's legit to point out that CH routinely, almost automatically, seeks out the most inflammatory phrasing on a subject and legit to wonder why. When pressed to explain myself I try to rise to the moment. I don't know how many times I was asked about my guns, but for awhile there I got that a lot. If CH cares to move beyond hot-button phrasing then who knows, he may be surprised by the quality of dialogue that follows.

[clintonhater]

So how many people/year we talking about here? And is it Constitutional?

Here's something you won't dispute...from NPR: http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

14% of THAT.

[bostonbound]

It's legit to point out that CH routinely, almost automatically, seeks out the most inflammatory phrasing on a subject and legit to wonder why. When pressed to explain myself I try to rise to the moment. I don't know how many times I was asked about my guns, but for awhile there I got that a lot. If CH cares to move beyond hot-button phrasing then who knows, he may be surprised by the quality of dialogue that follows.

True, and Vern ("Bless his heart" as we southerners say) needs to realize that his one liners are rarely funny the first time, never funny the second time, and boring on every other repetition.

I feel like screaming "Come on, dude! If you want to insult someone, at least be original." I also want to suggest that he read Rostand's "Nose Speech" from Cyrano de Bergerac, preferably in the Brian Hooker translation.

[clintonhater]

It's legit to point out that CH routinely, almost automatically, seeks out the most inflammatory phrasing on a subject and legit to wonder why.

It's called "telling it like it is," & skipping the BS euphemisms. An evil thing--like this unending border INVASION--should be called out with words appropriate for the evil thing it is. If you seek sugar-coating, or denial, just turn on the mainstream news.

[bostonbound]

It's called "telling it like it is," & skipping the BS euphemisms. An evil thing--like this unending border INVASION--should be called out with words appropriate for the evil thing it is. If you seek sugar-coating, or denial, just turn on the mainstream news.

Please realize that I usually agree with your position, but not necessarily always with your choice of words.

The words someone chooses depend, to a large extent, on if they want a rational argument, where there may be one of two outcomes - an agreement; or an agreement to disagree, but a parting with love in one's heart for one's fellow man (not trying to preach (that's bruce's job), but i don't know how to otherwise say it).

Or you can deliberately choose words that try to destroy your opponent - because you refuse to hear what he says anyway.

I try to choose the former route.

[togor]

I call BS on that. Mixed-race isn't sugar coating anything. Seeking the most emotion-laden term for something is anything but objective. So is it Constitutional to sterilize large numbers? I don't think it is and I find myself wondering if I should hold my breath waiting for Vernon to enter the debate on my side (with good reason to suspect he agrees with me).

[Vern Humphrey]

True, and Vern ("Bless his heart" as we southerners say) needs to realize that his one liners are rarely funny the first time, never funny the second time, and boring on every other repetition.

It is not my intent to entertain, but to persuade others not to encourage sophistry.

[clintonhater]

I call BS on that. Mixed-race isn't sugar coating anything.

I call total BS on that. "Mixed-race" is a meaningless euphemism, "mulatto" is a real word with a clearly defined, long established, meaning, not to mention a long historical tradition; ditto for miscegenation, which you no doubt hate. Why do YOU have a problem with the English language?

[S.A. Boggs]

Could it be because English is not his primary language?
Sam

[togor]

I call total BS on that. "Mixed-race" is a meaningless euphemism, "mulatto" is a real word with a clearly defined, long established, meaning, not to mention a long historical tradition; ditto for miscegenation, which you no doubt hate. Why do YOU have a problem with the English language?

And with a long-established tradition of oppression associated with their use. Somehow that gets set aside when you use the words, right? Again, nothing more than a coldly calculated decision to go for the most baggage-laden, inflammatory terms for all topics. They're mongrels, ragheads, faggots, etc. Blacks are blacks but only because calling them what you like would get you banned. And when Russia is back in the news, you'll be telling us that Putin is a great man standing up for his country. Even for this forum you're an odd duck, not really recognizable in any sense as a product of American thought. It's logical to wonder where you come from.